Compound vs. Cross Bow Question

[mesquitecountry]

It can have everything in the world attached to it. It doesnt matter. It is how it is propelled. All that is is a super tricked out version. No different than a tricked out compound.

[kornsqueezer]

DJ put it in simple terms.

[bowhuntntxn]

My only question is this: Where is this large group of people waiting for Xbows to be legal in Oct. at?? How does that argument hold any water at all?? There will be a small increase, in archery endorsements, until the folks realize they just paid a large sum of money to hunt, and still have to add $7. And believe me, there will be those who ***** and complain about it enough, that eventually that will go away too. Then it doesnt matter how many do it, there will be NO increase in money put into "bowhunting".

There will be just as many lost animals, or wounded animals as normal, so I dont give that much credibility. And ANY individual that wants to become profefficient will do so, so that argument is no good either. There is a thread about how often people shoot, and admittedly, folks dont shoot near enough.

It is a disgrace IMO to totally discount what the folks who rallied, lobbied, and swayed the TPWD to add the special archery only season. IMO if it changes, or the definition of "archery equipment" is changed, those people have been totally forgotten and since we are so steeped in "heritage", where did it go for them? And, I personally will not choose to use a xbow, but I will NEVER bash, or disrespect any one who does.

[CaptainDave]

I've never posted on a Crossbow debate, because I don't like to expose my ignorance, but here's how I look at it.
The archery only season was instated to allow bowhunters a special season due to the difficulty of killing a deer with a bow and arrow setup.
This season allows archers to hunt a deer that has not been pressured yet.
It does require a lot of practice (and failure) to consistently kill deer with a bow, due to the fact that you have to draw the bow after a deer gets into or very close to the range you are comfortable with. This is the moment of truth in most bowhunting opportunities.
Using a crossbow eliminates this part of the procedure.
I have no problem with the requirements that allow those that use a crossbow during the arhery season currently, but if the TPWD allows everybody and anybody to use a crossbow during the archery season, I would like to see them have to draw the crossbow at the same point of the encounter that bowhunters do.

Good post. No assumptions made, just the simple fact that you must draw a bow when an animal is in range. A hunter is limited as to how long they can stay at full draw. An xbow eliminates that aspect. I think that's a key difference.

[Mike Javi Cooper]

I think many good folks on TBH would argue that their success rate is much higher with a bow. I always console myself when I don't get a shot with my bow, if I wanted easy, I'd hunt with my rifle.

I wouldn’t think that the members of this or any other bow/archery hunting forum represent the average bow hunter in Texas. The average bow hunter is not likely to have ever heard of these forums. I know that is certainly the norm at the shops I visit and help in each season.

A pie plate at 20 yards with a compound bow be able to be done drunk and standing on one leg. I practice with broad-heads at 50/60 before elk season, and can group 3 within 6 inches- but have not shot anything much over 20 yards.

I shoot recurve for hunting as well as compound, and I practice a lot to get small groups out to 30, but that takes lots of hours of shooting- which I love every shot.

See above I see folks come in to the shop range that can’t hit the bale twice in a dozen shots, much less a pie plate at 20 yards… some don’t even know how to hook a release on their bow… These are the average bow hunter… y’all are saying they spend the extra time to practice before going hunting… I spend my Saturdays and most evenings of the month of August, helping these folks learn to point the bow in the general direction of the target…

I can't comment about hunters at your ranges, but I see the guys practicing with broad-heads at our range in the sandpit off the side (I built the workbench for doing bow tuning with a small bow holder- all outdoors) and they're holding small groups at 30 yards typically.

Like most ranges we have a varied membership, we have people who shoot almost every day and we have members who belong only to have a place to practice the weekend before season starts…

However, hang around the indoor ranges and shops for a couple of weeks before the season and you would see what I’m talking about. As an archery instructor and professional archer, I spend a good bit of my time helping at the shops in the area each year so maybe I’m exposed more than you might be. Each year I see dozens of brand new bow hunters buying their first bow and without fail, they are headed to Colorado or their Texas lease to fill their archery tags. Some will even practice a little in the coming week but Saturday morning they will be in that stand with their brand new bow…

So when I hear how a crossbow will help them kill a deer without all that extra practice, I just have to laugh at the comment. And the first thought through my head is “y’all really need to get out in the real world more”

[rocky]

After TPWD eliminated poundage minimum requirement for bows, with the exception of upper limb disability, what would be the reason someone would use a crossbow?

[Landrover]

I reckon I will be classified as one of those Elitiest Bowhunters that feels the season for "bowhunting only" should be as long or longer than what it is in some states in the midwest! IF you want a GREAT herd on public land bowhunting only will get us there. I also believe that the majority of East Texas should be bowhunting only.

I'd don't think it's the difference in speed, it's the difference in the amount of practice required to be able to hit what you're aiming at for a fast, humane kill of the animal..

Ditto! Well said!

For me a large part of archery hunting is being able to draw your bow when there is a animal in range.

Ditto! there ya go!

they need to draw the line somwheres, and IMO they passed that line when they legalized draw locks, wheres it gonna end? How long before the decide to legalize this arrow gun?

Ditto! And it won't be long before the fence sitters fall on the side of the majority.

No assumptions made, just the simple fact that you must draw a bow when an animal is in range. A hunter is limited as to how long they can stay at full draw. An xbow eliminates that aspect. I think that's a key difference.

Ditto!
All in all I guess the folks that endorse the xbows on T.V. will be getting some big bonus' for assisting this crap!

[jmm83164]

Crossbow Debate

I live in Virginia and crossbows are legal here all you have to do is buy an extra stamp .
What happen when they legalized crossbows was .Everyone went out and bought one [ paid stupid prices for them].Now ever pawn shop has a bunch of them they cant get rid of.
I only know one person who actually hunts with one Everyone Ive talked to that hunted with one was disappinted for one reason or another.
I bought one and wasnt impressed with the hitting power and yes I was shooting a modern high power one 175 lb and the accuracy was great but rapidly fell of at 30 yards.
I wouldnt have taken a shot at more than 20 yards with it.
I feel my compound is more powerful and I am almost as accurate with it .Im comfortable taking shots on game out to 35 yards with it.

Its just not a non issue,let it happen it will go away as an issue on its own.
Mike

[JW]

I reckon I will be classified as one of those Elitiest Bowhunters that feels the season for "bowhunting only" should be as long or longer than what it is in some states in the midwest! IF you want a GREAT herd on public land bowhunting only will get us there. I also believe that the majority of East Texas should be bowhunting only.

Ditto! Well said!

Ditto! there ya go!

Ditto! And it won't be long before the fence sitters fall on the side of the majority.

Ditto!
All in all I guess the folks that endorse the xbows on T.V. will be getting some big bonus' for assisting this crap!

Ya Dang Elitiest!!!!!!!!!

[whakm]

I have nothing against anyone who wants to use a crossbow to hunt. I simply don't like the idea of archery season being "watered down" in any shape, form or fashion for anything. As for making bow season longer and shortening gun season (a little comment I made earlier to point out how much I love bowhunting) that's was to point out the fact that I love the quietness of bow season, nothing else.Nothing against gun hunting.

[loco cacahuate]

I don't think it will reduce wounding. Anyone know of any crossbow clubs or organizations? How will hunters know what a crossbow is capable of? (accuracy, distance, best type BH etc.) A non hunter is not going to say "oh boy I can hunt now cause crossbows are legal in bow season." I tend to think most people that will be using them will be gun hunters looking for an easy way to get an extra month in.

Bowhunters have the Thompson brothers, Pope and Young, Howard Hill, Ben Pearson, Fred Bear etc., to pave the way for us.

[mesquitecountry]

I don't think it will reduce wounding. Anyone know of any crossbow clubs or organizations? How will hunters know what a crossbow is capable of? (accuracy, distance, best type BH etc.) A non hunter is not going to say "oh boy I can hunt now cause crossbows are legal in bow season." I tend to think most people that will be using them will be gun hunters looking for an easy way to get an extra month in.

I picked up a compound for an easy way to get an extra month. If it passes it would be wise or bowhunting orgs to pick them up instead of continually ignoring them.

[biggen]

Exactly why this is going to pass!! Money!!

I live in Virginia and crossbows are legal here all you have to do is buy an extra stamp .
What happen when they legalized crossbows was .Everyone went out and bought one [ paid stupid prices for them].Now ever pawn shop has a bunch of them they cant get rid of.
I only know one person who actually hunts with one Everyone Ive talked to that hunted with one was disappinted for one reason or another.
I bought one and wasnt impressed with the hitting power and yes I was shooting a modern high power one 175 lb and the accuracy was great but rapidly fell of at 30 yards.
I wouldnt have taken a shot at more than 20 yards with it.
I feel my compound is more powerful and I am almost as accurate with it .Im comfortable taking shots on game out to 35 yards with it.

Its just not a non issue,let it happen it will go away as an issue on its own.
Mike

[mesquitecountry]

Biggen,

Why is everyone so anti money making? Everyone realizes this is the only way hunting is still around if you dont then you definitely should start. Because the hunting industry is a multi billion dollar industry. Doing away with hunting would hurt the economy. More money spent on hunting keeps it around that much longer and keeps our pro anti hunting congress men and women at bay!

[Mike Javi Cooper]

Let me see.... so far the reasons not to have crossbows in archery are...

1. Sombody other than ME will make money

2. Gun hunters might start shooting bows

3. I don't want more bow hunters in MY woods.. (only really honest answer)

4. Crossbows are too easy


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