Ar low -high end?

[Coach W]

So where does the SR556 fall on that chart?

Not a clue but id buy one just because its a ruger AR. Coolness factor to me.

[Daniel75]

think so?

6920 colt = 1175. is THE standard and meets ALL criteria for battle rifle use set forth by the govt.

dpms = 825 +cost of sub par bbl replacement(295 up), plus cost of auto BCG(165), plus any magpul furniture you want to put on it. add into that of a better trigger (65 and up).

keep in mind this list is for people who want quality, precision, and life dependent gear. they are built properly, staked properly, QCed properly, and guaranteed. if your life isnt going to have to be placed in its care, then shoot what you want.

Tommy, the US govt also goes with what's the CHEAPEST. Why do you think they went with Beretta over Sig for their sidearm? Beretta doesn't even hold a candle to Sig but Beretta was cheaper, therefore they got the contract.

There are a ton of police agencies that use RRA, S&W, BM as their primary patrol/entry rifles. Do you think they are concerned that their rifle isn't on the chart? I wasn't. I knew my gun had an excellent reputation and you can feel quality in your hand when you're holding it, that RRA Entry Tac was a bad SOB. I never had any failures with the rifle whatsoever. I ran it through a 3 day patrol rifle class and it performed flawlessly. So did the Sig 556, Bushmaster, and S&W M&P, not even a hiccup. I don't think Colt walks on water and anyone who thinks Colt hasn't had or isn't as capable of having a failure on any part of the weapon, well you're fooling yourself. Anything mechanical can fail. I think Colt makes an excellent gun, but I don't think everyone else is complete garbage.

I'm sorry but your last paragraph is just wrong, period. I got quality, precision (guaranteed 1MOA), and I did depend on that gun for my life. I'm not typing this to argue with you, I just hate to see a person new to the AR's be misled into thinking that Colt is God and the rest are junk. Then you've got some guy who just bought a brand new X and he thinks his new gun is junk.

[TheCracker]

If you can snag a rock river in the 1k range, you are not paying much more than normal. RR is a great brand. I would put it above what you have listed. It is not the highest end, but way better than a mid-low end gun.
From the list you provided

Rockriver
Spikes/cmmg
Dpms
S&W

Think the are all ok and you wont go wrong depending on the markup. I would rather pay the mark up for a higher end than the lower end.

Sorry but the Smith and Wesson is defiantly a higher grade the others listed here. They are definitely a top mid grade IMO.

Not unless you are talking about the "sport" model. That's closer to, but still well above a bottom barrel DMPS or CMMG IMO.

Some people think of the smiths as entry because of the cheapened sport model but you aren't going to find a regular S&W 15 for anywhere near 1000 in this market.

[lesson 101]

Tommy, the US govt also goes with what's the CHEAPEST. Why do you think they went with Beretta over Sig for their sidearm? Beretta doesn't even hold a candle to Sig but Beretta was cheaper, therefore they got the contract.

There are a ton of police agencies that use RRA, S&W, BM as their primary patrol/entry rifles. Do you think they are concerned that their rifle isn't on the chart? I wasn't. I knew my gun had an excellent reputation and you can feel quality in your hand when you're holding it, that RRA Entry Tac was a bad SOB. I never had any failures with the rifle whatsoever. I ran it through a 3 day patrol rifle class and it performed flawlessly. So did the Sig 556, Bushmaster, and S&W M&P, not even a hiccup. I don't think Colt walks on water and anyone who thinks Colt hasn't had or isn't as capable of having a failure on any part of the weapon, well you're fooling yourself. Anything mechanical can fail. I think Colt makes an excellent gun, but I don't think everyone else is complete garbage.

I'm sorry but your last paragraph is just wrong, period. I got quality, precision (guaranteed 1MOA), and I did depend on that gun for my life. I'm not typing this to argue with you, I just hate to see a person new to the AR's be misled into thinking that Colt is God and the rest are junk. Then you've got some guy who just bought a brand new X and he thinks his new gun is junk.

I just bought my first AR and its a bushmaster is mine junk??

[thebomb6_99]

I just bought my first AR and its a bushmaster is mine junk??

No!

[Mertz09]

I just bought my first AR and its a bushmaster is mine junk??

No it is not. They are very popular (thanks to the drive-by media) and should hold its value. Enjoy your choice and keep it clean.

[Mike D]

Tommy, the US govt also goes with what's the CHEAPEST. Why do you think they went with Beretta over Sig for their sidearm? Beretta doesn't even hold a candle to Sig but Beretta was cheaper, therefore they got the contract.

There are a ton of police agencies that use RRA, S&W, BM as their primary patrol/entry rifles. Do you think they are concerned that their rifle isn't on the chart? I wasn't. I knew my gun had an excellent reputation and you can feel quality in your hand when you're holding it, that RRA Entry Tac was a bad SOB. I never had any failures with the rifle whatsoever. I ran it through a 3 day patrol rifle class and it performed flawlessly. So did the Sig 556, Bushmaster, and S&W M&P, not even a hiccup. I don't think Colt walks on water and anyone who thinks Colt hasn't had or isn't as capable of having a failure on any part of the weapon, well you're fooling yourself. Anything mechanical can fail. I think Colt makes an excellent gun, but I don't think everyone else is complete garbage.

I'm sorry but your last paragraph is just wrong, period. I got quality, precision (guaranteed 1MOA), and I did depend on that gun for my life. I'm not typing this to argue with you, I just hate to see a person new to the AR's be misled into thinking that Colt is God and the rest are junk. Then you've got some guy who just bought a brand new X and he thinks his new gun is junk.

Oh good grief. he didn't say others were junk, he just said they don't meet TDP.

A Colt is the ONLY rifle you will find that meets every single standard on the TDP for around $1k.

For the most part even the bottom of the barrel cheap POS mutt built AR will go bang most of the time and be reasonably accurate. That DOES NOT however make it a quality rifle.

Just what makes your RRA a "bad SOB" as you say?

[Mike D]

Sorry but the Smith and Wesson is defiantly a higher grade the others listed here. They are definitely a top mid grade IMO.

Not unless you are talking about the "sport" model. That's closer to, but still well above a bottom barrel DMPS or CMMG IMO.

Some people think of the smiths as entry because of the cheapened sport model but you aren't going to find a regular S&W 15 for anywhere near 1000 in this market.

Yup. S&W has really stepped up their game with their M&P rifles and now meet more items on the TDP than the beloved Rock River.

[texag93]

Well, I just bought a Ruger SR556 today. Is it junk?

[Daniel75]

Oh good grief. he didn't say others were junk, he just said they don't meet TDP.

A Colt is the ONLY rifle you will find that meets every single standard on the TDP for around $1k.

For the most part even the bottom of the barrel cheap POS mutt built AR will go bang most of the time and be reasonably accurate. That DOES NOT however make it a quality rifle.

Just what makes your RRA a "bad SOB" as you say?

Mike, it's not the first time, nor will it be the last that he and Bily thumb their noses at anything but Colt, Noveske, Bravo, etc. I've had this discussion with them before. I've also seen them post it several times and just bit my tongue.

What made my RRA awesome? It shot better than any bolt action rifle I had, it had an awesome trigger than came from the factory that way, tight, TIGHT tolerances between the upper and lower, fit and finish was awesome. As stated, never had any problem with that gun even after a carbine rifle course. I'm not saying RRA is the best, I'm just saying its one of them. The only drawback to it was weight. I'm sorry but I just don't buy into someone having to have mil-spec. It would probably be a slap in the face to LEO's on Fort Worth and Benbrook's SWAT teams to tell them their RRA's will fail them in a firefight. That's just the 2 agencies I know of for sure that use RRA, besides the DEA.

Lesson 101, no your BM is not junk.

[Daniel75]

I just bought my first AR and its a bushmaster is mine junk??

If you go by "The List", it only meets 5 of the 20 something criteria that the Colt does. I don't think it's junk but if you go by the list....

[lesson 101]

Thanks thats good to know cause I love this gun so far and I did some research on it before buying it and a friend of mine than knows more than me said for the price I paid I better jump all over it. So I did.

[lesson 101]

I unloaded a full mag and not one jam hiccup or nothing and I have a pretty fast trigger finger lol

[Daniel75]

Thanks thats good to know cause I love this gun so far and I did some research on it before buying it and a friend of mine than knows more than me said for the price I paid I better jump all over it. So I did.

You did just fine. It'll go bang when you squeeze the trigger just fine. I have a number of LEO buddies that trust their lives to them every day.

[Tommyh]

So where does the SR556 fall on that chart?

This chart is old, and at the time it was compiled, the only people on it were the ones who responded to inquiries, or had info available on their websites for true specs. There is a new chart based on Tdp, the criteria, and you get to do the legwork for quality checking.