Compound vs. Cross Bow Question

[tvc184]

to each his/her own but i personally think its kinda cheating. i also think draw locks are pretty ridiculous and should only be used if honestly handicapped. the draw cycle is one of the hardest things to do with game present. taking that part away , in my eyes,is in part taking the hunt away...........

Let's outlaw 80% let off compounds then.

[Coon]

Let me see.... so far the reasons not to have crossbows in archery are...

1. Sombody other than ME will make money

2. Gun hunters might start shooting bows

3. I don't want more bow hunters in MY woods.. (only really honest answer)

4. Crossbows are too easy


Anybody got anymore... we can make a list...

One more time. Because people will think they have a magic weapon that can't miss and will kill the animal instantly by its mere presence. Therefore, there will be more irresponsible people hunting, wounding animals, then when it gets difficult, giving up. I think a big part of the misunderstanding is that a lot of people who are posting here don't hunt public land with the goof balls. I'm sure when a guy pays $2500 to get on a lease, he's serious about hunting.
That's not true about all of the people who hunt public land. Many are, but not all. I'm sure that there will be a number of good, responsible hunters hunting with a crossbow during bow season, but I know from experience that we will be overrun for a while with misguided nimrods who haven't a clue.

Dave

[rocky]

Let's outlaw 80% let off compounds then.

While I will agree that compounds have made it easier, even with 80% letoff, the bow has to be drawn in the presence of game.
80% letoff has put lots of bowhunters in the field, and allows them to be more proficient.
This same argument doesn't have the same impact for those that want crossbows during the archery season by those that are capable of using a bow.(remember, TPWD did away with minimum poundage).

[Mike Javi Cooper]

While I personally don't care who hunts with what, and when, the answer to my question is being avoided so I'll answer it myself.
Bows are hand-drawn, hand-held devices that are fit to the individual and are drawn at the moment of truth, the compound aiding by having let-off and storing more energy which is a good thing for bowhunters,(compounds own 85% or more of the market).
Both of these types of bows require considerable effort to become proficient with.
Crossbows allow someone to simply sight in or borrow their buddies crossbow and kill a deer.( Requires very little effort)
This can also be done with a rifle, only farther away.

Still sounds like 1970 to me... How many folks do you see every year doing exactly that with a compound bow... I know I sure see a lot of it at the shop here in Waco and at the outdoor range as well...

Come on Rocky... your words say you do care...

[rocky]

I see it every year, but until we have proficiency tests in Texas, this will never stop.
Too bad these tests will never happen.
I don't care if all seasons were combined, but I know alot of bowhunters at this time think that after obtaining a special season, they should continue to let them have it.
We will eventually see bow only zones in Texas, so we should work to make bowhunting more acceptable to the publc, and I think the perception that people have of crossbows will be a detriment to that end.

[tvc184]

............... What are the logical arguments against cross-bows?

There are none.

It is mostly a jealousy issue. Like, I practiced long and hard to be able to shoot very well so you should also. Crossbows are archery and they are bows but with an advantage over vertical bows.

Over and over it has been brought up and it is true that compounds are way easier than a recurve or longbow yet no one is talking about making a traditional archery only season. If a long bow is 100% used as a measure/standard as the hardest skill to learn and retain, then a compound is probably at 10%. Maybe the crossbow would be at 2%. I know people that can buy a compound, get it set up and within two weeks be shooting 3" groups at 20 yards yet not many people want to outlaw compounds even though they are way easier than traditional.

The main advantage of the xbows can't be speed with compounds getting near 350 fps and climbing. If the compound community comes up with a 500 fps bow next season with a 90 let off, will these same people cry out to stop these bows due to the advantage? I think not. There would be a long line of people lining up for these super bows and yet claim that the xbow would ruin traditional archery season. We could have true one pin bows out to maybe 60 yards but you won't hear an outcry of being unfair and people would be lining up for these super bows.

The only really big advantage of the xbow over any other form of archery is the scope. That is the rifle feature that has everyone up in arms whether they know it or not. If people had to use the same peep sights or no sight at other forms of archery, you wouldn't hear nearly the same outcry. Having a fast arrow isn't the same if you have to rely on your eyes to find the pin and hold it on target at long ranges as it is with a magnified scope.

It still comes down to, "I had to learn to draw the bow and hold it and by God, you should also.... even if I am shooting a 50 pound compound with an 80% let off at 300 fps!".

Yeah.... traditonal archery....

[Mike Javi Cooper]

I see it every year, but until we have proficiency tests in Texas, this will never stop.
Too bad these tests will never happen.
I don't care if all seasons were combined, but I know alot of bowhunters at this time think that after obtaining a special season, they should continue to let them have it.
We will eventually see bow only zones in Texas, so we should work to make bowhunting more acceptable to the publc, and I think the perception that people have of crossbows will be a detriment to that end.

Then help to dispel the myths...

I agree that there should be a proficiency test required to obtain an archery tag, but I also agree that it will never happen.

[gigem130]

For all of you AR 15 guys out there, thought you might want to see this. Also attached the web page from PSE. Conversion kit for your 15, shoot 412 fps. Kinda takes the bow out of of crossbow when you ount it on a 15 frame.

http://www.pse-archery.com/prod.php?k=55444&u=01135

[rocky]

From a bowhunter's perspective, after TPWD eliminated the minimum draw-weight, there is no good argument for allowing the use of crossbows during the archery season by an able bodied person.
MC- JAVI, I respect ya'lls opinion, but you don't make a convincing argument due to this fact.

[Mike Javi Cooper]

One more time. Because people will think they have a magic weapon that can't miss and will kill the animal instantly by its mere presence. Therefore, there will be more irresponsible people hunting, wounding animals, then when it gets difficult, giving up. I think a big part of the misunderstanding is that a lot of people who are posting here don't hunt public land with the goof balls. I'm sure when a guy pays $2500 to get on a lease, he's serious about hunting.
That's not true about all of the people who hunt public land. Many are, but not all. I'm sure that there will be a number of good, responsible hunters hunting with a crossbow during bow season, but I know from experience that we will be overrun for a while with misguided nimrods who haven't a clue.

Dave

We already are overrun with nimrods with no clue... just go hang out at the archery shop the month before archery season... And if it's so much easier to use a crossbow... then why pray tell would the wound rate go up...

[Mike Javi Cooper]

From a bowhunter's perspective, after TPWD eliminated the minimum draw-weight, there is no good argument for allowing the use of crossbows during the archery season by an able bodied person.
MC- JAVI, I respect ya'lls opinion, but you don't make a convincing argument due to this fact.

Ok so I can only draw 18 lbs... want me shooting deer with my Genesis...

[keep]

My opposition to this is for this reason, the idiots it will bring into the woods.
Now, idiots being in the woods happens with bow and rifle hunters as well. Here is what drives me nuts the worst, the guy that walk in buys a bow/ xbow/ gun and goes into the woods without practice and knowledge of their instrument of choice. We will always have them no matter which they chose. I just hate knowing we will have an influx of them as soon as this takes effect because all of the clubheads that tried bowhunting and decided this is too hard will give xbows a shot rush to the store buy a xbow go try to kill something with it and then drop it just as they did bowhunting. I would have less of a problem if there was a proficency/ knowledge/ safety test for each weapon you decided to use. Plus it would give them a fair shake and learning the sport and sticking with it. jmho

[Landrover]

We will eventually see bow only zones in Texas, so we should work to make bowhunting more acceptable to the publc,

Now ya talking!!! I hope 50% of the state goes that way.........sooner than later! But I ain't holding my breath.

[Mike Javi Cooper]

For all of you AR 15 guys out there, thought you might want to see this. Also attached the web page from PSE. Conversion kit for your 15, shoot 412 fps. Kinda takes the bow out of of crossbow when you ount it on a 15 frame.

http://www.pse-archery.com/prod.php?k=55444&u=01135

still uses an arrow, limbs and a string..

[keep]

We already are overrun with nimrods with no clue... just go hang out at the archery shop the month before archery season... And if it's so much easier to use a crossbow... then why pray tell would the wound rate go up...

Javi
I think it's the preception that it's easier more so than it is actually easier.