My first poacher encounter

[Cbb1722]

If you can't train said dog to avoid places then I would keep said dog on a leash. Poor training/judgement on your part does not give you the right to chase your dog onto another person's property.

I've read several people make sound suggestions to you in this thread and it's clear you're not open to other's views. If you want to roll the dice by crossing a fence line to chase a wayward dog (without permission), I'd make sure the land isn't owned by anyone on TBH. If it is, that dog may be the least of your worries.

Let me explain how coon hunting with a dog works. You turn the dog loose. The dog is to go however far it has to go to strike a track where a coon had been and follow that track to the tree a coon went up the tree. You can't keep the dog on s leash for that. And no I haven't gotten sound advise from the idiots before I've gotten criticism because I asked a question and the few idiots that I've went around with didn't read the question. It had nothing to do with what I do or how I train a dog. i want the dog to go I don't want it to hang around me. Whether it's gotta go 109 yards or 1 mile to tree a coon that's what I want it to do. But unless you've gone coonhunting for even hog hunting you wouldn't understand my point.

[Cbb1722]

I can tell you this much. We spend a crap load of money, blood, sweat and energy maintaining and improving our property and managing deer. I already have a huge problem with coyotes, foxs and bobcats that I have a hard time controlling. We have also had someone's dogs on our property and we saw them chasing deer. How are we supposed to know who dogs will and won't chase and attach the deer? We also have snares, traps and M44 on the property and we have a hard and fast rule. If any of us see and dog running lose you likely will never see it again and no one will know what happen to it.

Now I personally would not risk all of this for a dog I cared about. You can do whatever you want that's just the way I think about it.


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And I understand that and if my dog was to cross properties and get shot I wouldn't be mad at the landowner it's their land and my dog was on it. But say I was hunting a neighboring property and my dog went and got treed on your place because I couldn't catch him in time and I came to ask you for permission to retrieve him how would you handle that?

[Mike Javi Cooper]

I'm pretty sure that this was the original statement that drove others to clarify what "private property" means.

And once upon a time the landowner would understand that he was getting his dog, not poaching, or even consider it trespassing... They would have helped him find the dog if they knew he was looking, not calling the law or trying to keep the dog.. And before you dispute this... I've been on both sides more than once... If you ain't never run coonhounds or at least been around them then you ain't got a clue about the dying hobby...

And many of y'all have shown exactly how you want to be treated when and if the shoe is ever on the other foot... May that 200 inches of bone you worship, never jump the fence... cause that other guy may just tell you it is mine now... Oh wait... that already happened a few posts ago..

[TxNurse]

If said dog is worth $4000, find LO and offer $400 to let you get it. Everyone wins, and you have only spent 10% of worth of dog.

[RedBarn]

Let me explain how coon hunting with a dog works. You turn the dog loose. The dog is to go however far it has to go to strike a track where a coon had been and follow that track to the tree a coon went up the tree. You can't keep the dog on s leash for that. And no I haven't gotten sound advise from the idiots before I've gotten criticism because I asked a question and the few idiots that I've went around with didn't read the question. It had nothing to do with what I do or how I train a dog. i want the dog to go I don't want it to hang around me. Whether it's gotta go 109 yards or 1 mile to tree a coon that's what I want it to do. But unless you've gone coonhunting for even hog hunting you wouldn't understand my point.

Generally speaking, I'm pretty sure everyone's advise so far is to contact the landowners or stay off the property. If you think your dog will run five miles, try to contact everyone you can within a five mile radius. It's your duty. That or be willing to deal with the consequences.

[Cajun shooter]

And I understand that and if my dog was to cross properties and get shot I wouldn't be mad at the landowner it's their land and my dog was on it. But say I was hunting a neighboring property and my dog went and got treed on your place because I couldn't catch him in time and I came to ask you for permission to retrieve him how would you handle that?

I'll give you the simple answer first and then the more complicated answer.

If I was here when your scenario happened, I would be happy to escort you out to get your dog.

The more complicated answer. The chances of you finding me out here, when I'm out here or slim to none. The chances are if I'm out here when your scenario happens I would hear your dog on my property and hunt him down like a terrorist.

So there's about a million to one chance of it turning out the way you wold like for it to. If I were you I'd make sure there was no chance of this happening or just be okay with losing your dog.


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[RedBarn]

And once upon a time the landowner would understand that he was getting his dog, not poaching, or even consider it trespassing... They would have helped him find the dog if they knew he was looking, not calling the law or trying to keep the dog.. And before you dispute this... I've been on both sides more than once... If you ain't never run coonhounds or at least been around them then you ain't got a clue about the dying hobby...

And many of y'all have shown exactly how you want to be treated when and if the shoe is ever on the other foot... May that 200 inches of bone you worship, never jump the fence... cause that other guy may just tell you it is mine now... Oh wait... that already happened a few posts ago..

Once upon a time I'm sure your kind had respect for land owners and vise versa. Nowadays most people feel entitled to trespass with no fear of consequences. It's a two way street my friend.

[Razrbk89]

And once upon a time the landowner would understand that he was getting his dog, not poaching, or even consider it trespassing... They would have helped him find the dog if they knew he was looking, not calling the law or trying to keep the dog.. And before you dispute this... I've been on both sides more than once... If you ain't never run coonhounds or at least been around them then you ain't got a clue about the dying hobby...

And many of y'all have shown exactly how you want to be treated when and if the shoe is ever on the other foot... May that 200 inches of bone you worship, never jump the fence... cause that other guy may just tell you it is mine now... Oh wait... that already happened a few posts ago..

I agree^^^ People are jerks these days and it's sad. I think dog hunting is on it's way out nearly everywhere. You've got all these people wanting to move to the "country" and patrolling their little 50-100 acre places night and day. Most people are all about #1 these days and don't care about their neighbors. Shows on threads like this, too.

So someone's coon dog trees on your property, is it really that big of a deal!? I'd understand if someone purposefully had a pack of wild dogs running loose during hunting season and disturbing people, but a lone dog is just not much of an issue.

If a deer gets ran by a dog it'll be back the next day. It's not like they run to the next county and never come back.

[muzzlebrake]

Harmless old coon hunter and his Walker hound. They're a dying breed. Looks like he caught his dawg and is leading it out. I wonder if he had a coon hunting mule parked outside the high fence. Mules can't jump more than a 5 strand usually.

[texashunter56]

How are my posts arrogant? You're too ignorant to read what you've already highlighted. I never said I LET my dogs trespass. And they never have. And I said I would do my best to ask permission to get my dogs. But I was asking if one denied me to get my dog if I could do anything legally to go get them and you obviously want to act like you have power over everything and everyone because you can't read or comprehend what I've been trying to ask. You've just been about as rude as it can get with your smart arse comments. I'm done with you.

"And I don't let my dogs trespass if I can help it." Again the blue highlighted part of the first quote I highlighted. You know it is a possibility that it could happen(and probably would not admit it has) or you would not have added the last part of the quote. The one thing I have power over is what happens on my land. Just like you have the same power over what happens with your dogs.
I will post this again for you since you obviously have missed it mine and several other posts.....I also offered the suggestion you call the local GW and sheriff to get their feedback on your situation to get you trespassing dog back. Why don't you? Is it because you know what the answer will be you get about trespassing? I also told you about how if I were going to hunt with dogs I would tell the LO and ALL of his neighbors around I was going to be out. I would lay the groundwork ahead of time if my dog(s) were trespassing on the neighbors so I could get them back. I would imagine they would be much more receptive to me calling them back to ask for permission. I would bet I would gain land to hunt on in the future without asking. I was brought up in a time 60 yrs ago when you respected people and their property. If you got permission from them ahead of time to trespass on their land they respected you back. We also understood that no mean't no.

[BTLowry]

Yessir I wouldn't be a jerk about asking to go get my dog. We have a pretty big place to hunt and permission on one side of the road but if they get deep enough to the road before I get there especially if they're trailing a coon they might get to the road before I can get around there and catch them. I've caught them on the road before they got to the other side a couple times and I try to avoid that side if possible

Don't take what I said the wrong way either, I would let anyone come get their dog if they asked.

I was just giving my argument in the rights of landowner vs dog owner

[texashunter56]

And once upon a time the landowner would understand that he was getting his dog, not poaching, or even consider it trespassing... They would have helped him find the dog if they knew he was looking, not calling the law or trying to keep the dog.. And before you dispute this... I've been on both sides more than once... If you ain't never run coonhounds or at least been around them then you ain't got a clue about the dying hobby...

And many of y'all have shown exactly how you want to be treated when and if the shoe is ever on the other foot... May that 200 inches of bone you worship, never jump the fence... cause that other guy may just tell you it is mine now... Oh wait... that already happened a few posts ago..

I grew up 60+ yrs ago also. I know what it mean't to ask permission ahead of time. When I was very young, I went with my grandfather and an uncle who was a member and president of the local "Wolf Hunters Association". He was a member of an association hunting an animal that was already hunted/trapped to extinction in South Texas. Why did they still call it that name? They still hunted coyotes with dogs in the way their families before them hunted wolves many many years before. They kept the name because it was what they grew up with. They had packs of hounds they kept for hunting coyotes. They asked for permission to hunt land first before releasing their dogs. Many landowners allowed them to hunt and a few said no. If their dog got onto land they could not hunt they had to wait for them to come back to the truck that night or check back till they found them.
What many have shown in this thread is how they were raised. We are courteous and ask for permission first. If I had that much invested in my dogs I would do the same. I would never release in an area unless I had new what was happening around the property I was hunting on. If someone called me to ask permission or let me know about hunting next door I would tell them that I am trapping and snaring right now on my land. I have been since Jan since it is the best time to catch predators. I would want them to know this so they would take extra care to keep their dogs on the land they are hunting on or they would need to wait till I am not trapping. I would not have a problem if they called me to let me know where and what they are doing. If a dog got on mine and they called I would offer to help them find him. I have called owners on dogs I have found around my house. I would also explain to them that I trap at times during the year and if they value their dog that they need to keep them on their property. I have also attached note about trapping to the dogs collars that I catch roaming my place. Rarely have a dog show back up again.

[Shinesintx]

It amazes me how folks think they have the right to trespass on someone's property.

Yep, it's amazing that they'll use a dog as a scapegoat to justify it.

[monsterspike]

that dude did not crawl through a culvert with his dog. if he is a poacher, he must use kung fu on his pray.

he is there with permission. id put money on it.

[Traildust]

i agree^^^ people are jerks these days and it's sad. I think dog hunting is on it's way out nearly everywhere. You've got all these people wanting to move to the "country" and patrolling their little 50-100 acre places night and day. Most people are all about #1 these days and don't care about their neighbors. Shows on threads like this, too.

So someone's coon dog trees on your property, is it really that big of a deal!? I'd understand if someone purposefully had a pack of wild dogs running loose during hunting season and disturbing people, but a lone dog is just not much of an issue.

If a deer gets ran by a dog it'll be back the next day. It's not like they run to the next county and never come back.

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