Waggoner Ranch residents getting booted

[Plain Lucky]

The free ride is over.

Who has been getting a free ride? The "renters" that are being evicted have been paying their rent in a timely manor for years or they would have lost their lease a long time ago. And they have bought and paid for their homes just like the rest of us. There is no free ride in the equation.

[Shurshot]

Who has been getting a free ride? The "renters" that are being evicted have been paying their rent in a timely manor for years or they would have lost their lease a long time ago. And they have bought and paid for their homes just like the rest of us. There is no free ride in the equation.

Your right, they were leasing the land so no free ride.
But when you build something permanent on someone else's land you have to know that the day might come when you have to leave. Just like a deer lease.

[Chad C]

Waggoner Ranch residents getting booted

Interesting opinions. It's amazing that folks would build a permanent structure on a surface they do not own. I wouldn't grant anything to them either.


These folks may have poured money into something, but there aren't mortgages, etc. When this guy bought the ranch, he bought every structure within its boundaries as well.


They new this was coming long ago, this sales is something that took years to happen.

We bid the survey work on multiple occasions as did another TBHer I know of.

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[Pedernal]

Who has been getting a free ride? The "renters" that are being evicted have been paying their rent in a timely manor for years or they would have lost their lease a long time ago. And they have bought and paid for their homes just like the rest of us. There is no free ride in the equation.

Are you saying a bank loaned people money to build a home on rented/leased property?? If so WW

[Texans42]

It deeply saddens me that this is happening. This is one more example of spoiled brats neglecting and destroying a legacy that they inherited while sitting on their fat *****e$ and didn't deserve. And then selling it to a guy like Kroenke - a guy who is as selfish as it gets! Yet another example of greed exceeding honor and a dark blot on Texas tradition.

Everyone involved in this deal should be ashamed! My grandad, who was the GM for many years, and my dad who was raised on the ranch must be rolling in their graves; along with Paul, Guy & Electra Waggoner who created this arrangement.

This is such a tiny portion of the property that it's tantamount to most ranches having a tortoise living in a hundred foot pen not being willing to leave it alone. At the very least, the families should have been given a lease (by one of the parties) that ends when the last member of each family, that's currently living there, passes away. Comparing this to a hunting lease or somebody you know's ranch is ridiculous - you could fit every lease and every ranch on this forum inside the Waggoner and still have a gigantic ranch. It would have had ZERO effect on Kroenke (as it had on the Waggoners for the past 90+) to make a fair arrangement for these people. Those who say that these people were stupid to build there have obviously never had experience with these giant ranches - it was (and still is) a very common practice for these big ranches to do this for workers' families. The sad fact is that you can't trust your kids or grandkids to uphold your promises or the values that built the legacy they get handed! The King and many other ranches do the same thing. These people got jacked by some rich people for no valid reason. I'm so sick of people justifying bad behavior because "it's legal!" Just because something is legal doesn't always make it right! This is one of those situations good people who built and maintained that ranch were backhanded by the law.






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While I get what you are saying being I was brought up on a big ranch. A Promise is not a deed and a deed is more then just a promise.

Those leased lots could of been deeded with first right of refusal.

Sad deal but they weren't backhanded by the law. They were backhanded the day those original leases come into existence. In mean time who paid the different in the cost base on the taxes once those homes where built? Most likely land owner.

I do shake my head over it in reference to the new land owner, not how I would of taken care of generations of families that help build and maintain A legacy

[Plain Lucky]

Interesting opinions. It's amazing that folks would build a permanent structure on a surface they do not own. I wouldn't grant anything to them either.


These folks may have poured money into something, but there aren't mortgages, etc. When this guy bought the ranch, he bought every structure within its boundaries as well.


They new this was coming long ago, this sales is something that took years to happen.

We bid the survey work on multiple occasions as did another TBHer I know of.

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How do you know there aren't mortgages?

[bpa556]

How do you know there aren't mortgages?

What lender in their right mind would lend money to a fella so he could buy/build a permanent structure on someone else's property? Not many, I'd wager.

[Mertzon Man]

If the previous owners didn't see a need to deed them the land around their houses before they sold it, why should a new owner with no connection to them be expected to do so? He owes them nothing.

I agree!

[SmTx]

Who wants to bet on how long before he starts selling off parts of the ranch?

I doubt he just wants a private ranch. He bought it seeing that there's money to be made.

[Mudslinger]

More than likely the sell would not have happened unless the buyer had the right to do what he is doing. Blame for me lays with the sellers/heirs to the property because they wanted the money period and did not give a **** about the people that lived and worked and raised families and died on this ranch. It could also go back to the original owners who are now long gone because they could have put it in the wills that the only way this ranch could have been sold was with the people that helped build and worked on this ranch had their homes and property protected from this or deeded to them.

Very sad situation for the families, but this is common place now days, no loyalty to anyone by most.

[Fishy]

Who wants to bet on how long before he starts selling off parts of the ranch?

I doubt he just wants a private ranch. He bought it seeing that there's money to be made.

I too have suspected from the beginning that big changes will /may be made regardless of what was claimed before about keeping everything the same. The media just might not readily learn about the changes or at least some.

[Slew]

I don't know how many of the ranch workers lived on the lakes. I got a buddy with a camp on Kemp and I looked at one years ago cheap and that's why because you never knew when they were gonna throw the get the hell out card. I passed on a $5k lake camp.


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[TKK]

"We can't pick up a rock home that was built in 1926, that we poured our lifetime savings into, that was our retirement home,"

Don't build your home on land you don't own.

Ditto - build near a river or airport do not ***** when it floods or airplanes fly over - pretty simple really

[TKK]

Who wants to bet on how long before he starts selling off parts of the ranch?

I doubt he just wants a private ranch. He bought it seeing that there's money to be made.

and there is something wrong with that? Would you if you had the chance?

[SmTx]

and there is something wrong with that? Would you if you had the chance?

Nah, but there's an attitude that ending these leases is a black eye on the ranch's legacy.

Just wait for the next thread when there are sections being sold off.