CHL class too easy??

[papabearclif]

The guy next to me shot my target at the 2nd distance. Cost me a couple of points. I just shook my head.

[Coach G]

The class I was in was packed! We were the third group of people shooting and I think the instructor had already had his fill of people who shouldn't be there because of a lack of experience. He told this lady 2 stalls over twice to keep her gun pointed down range. She then proceeds to turn around an point the gun at him asking him a question. He initially lost it then regained his cool. For the last set of shooting he instructed everyone to reload. I hear him yelling at her at this point, what the hell are you doing the bullets go in the other way. I can only assume that her husband had loaded her extra clips prior to the class and she had already used them. It was hard to shoot while laughing at this point, and yes she did pass.

[Uncle Saggy]

so,

One should have to take a hard test in able to exercise what little constitutional rights we have left ?

Totally agree


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[Uncle Saggy]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Right On!


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[dustoffer]

Thought you were a constitutionalist?

yes, but if folks are gonna be carrying where my family and friends hang, I would like assurance that they are safe.

[JW]

yes, but if folks are gonna be carrying where my family and friends hang, I would like assurance that they are safe.

You can't have it both ways. Pick one and stick with it.

[Kodiakk]

There is a high probability that multiple innocent bystanders would also be shot.. They should make it much harder to get in my opinion.. All it takes is a few CHL holders like her to shoot innocent bystanders and we all will loose our privileges...

........ And yet I haven't seen it happen. Just like there hasn't been blood in the streets when the CHL became law, just like we haven't seen criminals grab a gun from a open carry person.

You're screwing up in your logic horribly. The right to bear arms is not a dam privilege! Where does it say we have the right to bear arms if or when we pay a tax to our king. There shouldn't even be a test or any license mandatory to carry a firearm. Our Constitution covers it!

[Pullersboy]

This class is about a couple of things, IMO.

1. The state finding a way to get more money out of folks

2. The state relieving themselves of liabilities in the event a license holder has to use their firearm. They can then say, "Well, we made sure they were trained and certified. The screw up is on the individual involved."

3. Teaching the student more about the legal aspects of carrying than the actual physical aspects of carrying.

I don't care how good the instructor is, one simply cannot teach a person everything they need to know (especially in a class setting vs. individual training) in one day. Well, it can be taught, but there's no way a person who's never or rarely handled a firearm will be proficient in a single day. This is something that's incumbent upon the person with the weapon to spend time at the range and handling their weapon to become proficient in safe weapons handling skills. My wife got hers last fall. One of my buddies is one of the best weapons and tactics instructors I've ever been around. He taught the class. She was very pleased with the instruction. I then bought her her own weapon and have spent more time with her at the range. Bought her snap caps to practice at home etc. She still doesn't carry on her person because she has said that she doesn't feel as if she's proficient enough yet and she doesn't want to make a life altering mistake. She said this to me one day when I asked why she hadn't been carrying. I couldn't argue with that response. I thought it was a very wise and well thought out response. So, I just said we need to get more range time then. I went and bought her another 400 rounds of ammo. I wish everybody was that responsible with theor decisions when it comes to firearms. It makes me proud of her. That means to me that she takes this very seriously.

[JW]

........ And yet I haven't seen it happen. Just like there hasn't been blood in the streets when the CHL became law, just like we haven't seen criminals grab a gun from a open carry person.



You're screwing up in your logic horribly. The right to bear arms is not a dam privilege! Where does it say we have the right to bear arms if or when we pay a tax to our king. There shouldn't even be a test or any license mandatory to carry a firearm. Our Constitution covers it!

Libs! Whatcha gonna do?!

[Tex]

CHL class too easy??

I know people who are terrible hunters yet they get a hunting license. I know people who are terrible drivers yet they get a drivers license. Those are privileges not rights. Did I have a few people in my class that needed to spend more time with their weapon? Yes. But they should have the right just like I do to decide when and where they can carry.



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[Kodiakk]

Libs! Whatcha gonna do?!

Umm.....Revolt?

[JW]

Umm.....Revolt?

Lol!!!!!!!

[roberts]

When I took my class many, many moons ago if your round completely missed the target you were disqualified.

That is the way it was when I took it as well. The class also took up an entire weekend. 8 hours of classroom and then a half day of shooting.

[fishingsetx]

This class is about a couple of things, IMO.

1. The state finding a way to get more money out of folks

2. The state relieving themselves of liabilities in the event a license holder has to use their firearm. They can then say, "Well, we made sure they were trained and certified. The screw up is on the individual involved."

3. Teaching the student more about the legal aspects of carrying than the actual physical aspects of carrying.

I don't care how good the instructor is, one simply cannot teach a person everything they need to know (especially in a class setting vs. individual training) in one day. Well, it can be taught, but there's no way a person who's never or rarely handled a firearm will be proficient in a single day. This is something that's incumbent upon the person with the weapon to spend time at the range and handling their weapon to become proficient in safe weapons handling skills. My wife got hers last fall. One of my buddies is one of the best weapons and tactics instructors I've ever been around. He taught the class. She was very pleased with the instruction. I then bought her her own weapon and have spent more time with her at the range. Bought her snap caps to practice at home etc. She still doesn't carry on her person because she has said that she doesn't feel as if she's proficient enough yet and she doesn't want to make a life altering mistake. She said this to me one day when I asked why she hadn't been carrying. I couldn't argue with that response. I thought it was a very wise and well thought out response. So, I just said we need to get more range time then. I went and bought her another 400 rounds of ammo. I wish everybody was that responsible with theor decisions when it comes to firearms. It makes me proud of her. That means to me that she takes this very seriously.

Just some comments:

1.) The state makes no money on the class other than the instructors license, the instructor and range do. The state would make more if they did away with the class as more people would apply. The only money the state makes is on the license fee and renewal.

2.)The state wouldnt be held liable anyway. The class was put into the law to appease the anti's and the requirements for the class have been steadily reduced.

3.)This I agree with. Our instructor basically said he wasnt there to teach us how to shoot. He was there to teach us the basics of the law and to make sure we knew the absolute basics of firearm safety. If you wanted to know more, research the laws and take a self defence class.

I agree completely on your last comment. If someone is not comfortable carrying, they should not carry, but that should be left up to the individual, NOT THE GOVT!



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[Jspradley]

The only benefit of the CHL class is the classroom portion. The shooting portion is a joke.

The class should be done away with, I have a suspicion that the class can actually do more harm than good by instilling a false sense of confidence.

If you want to become competent with a firearm you really need to pony up the cash and take a course from a reputable firearms instructor.