CHL class too easy??

[texasnavy05]

I think that every person that carries should, at the very minimum, know how to safely handle, load, and fire with reasonable accuracy.

[PowThudBeer]

Whatever. You sound like a brown noser. I understand where your coming from but who are you. Nobody. Someone always is an expert. That's why they are there to learn.

Wow, you just took this to a middle school play yard. I am nobody. I am certainly not an expert. However, I am conscious as to my responsibilities as someone who carries a firearm. I didn't confront anyone, assert my opinions or let anyone know of my feelings. Just observations.

Carry on...

[deano70]

I may be lookin at this wrong but I see it this way:
The state wants to make money, create a mandatory class with some very easy rules and set a price. Make the people with the license 100% responsible for their actions no matter what. All risk is on the CHL holder. No risk to the state. Who cares if they know how to shoot or how safe they are. Potentially more money to the state coffers for trials caused by irresponsible CHL holders.

[brrdnk]

I had my wife load and unload magazines for a week before the test every evening while she was watching TV. Then I had her do it with her eyes closed till it became 2nd nature for to her.

[TacticalCowboy]

I think that every person that carries should, at the very minimum, know how to safely handle, load, and fire with reasonable accuracy.

Why is that so hard to accomplish? !?!

[jaker_cc]

How can anyone argue that you shouldn't have to learn fundamental firearm skills before being able to carry one on the street. Nothing is being said about home or at the ranch. But in public you should know what you are doing before carrying. In my opinion.

[hcshooter]

If you can't load your own weapon in the time frame and score 175 out of 250 on the range our instructor will fail you.
A person taking the test is to know how to load, chamber and shoot on their own. If they do not demonstrate self confidence then they should not pass.

If an instructor allows assistance then right away he should know the person is not a confident gun handler and he should let them know.

If he is allowing all what you say then he is not doing it correctly which does not do those taking the test any good. Why learn if you can show up and fet help so that they just pass you.

[scott.str]

Yea we had a few people fail but I think loading the firearm should be a big part of it. The guy shooting that failed his target looked like a bird shot target and the ladies that failed failed due to pointing the firearm at other people while loading a magazine I think.

[krisw]

How can anyone argue that you shouldn't have to learn fundamental firearm skills before being able to carry one on the street. Nothing is being said about home or at the ranch. But in public you should know what you are doing before carrying. In my opinion.

You would like to see everyone have familiarity with weapons, whether they carry or use them or not. Most CHL incidents don't rely on shooting for resolution. But is it up to the government to force you to get training? That would be a way to restrict the rights.

[tvc184]

Who?

I think several have less restrictions than TX.

There is only one state with true (what is called) constitutional carry and that is Vermont. They have no permit/license required for open or concealed carry by anyone that is legally in the USA and not banned from possessing a firearm by federal law.

[jaker_cc]

You would like to see everyone have familiarity with weapons, whether they carry or use them or not. Most CHL incidents don't rely on shooting for resolution. But is it up to the government to force you to get training? That would be a way to restrict the rights.

The state test should make someone be familiar, yes I believe that. It's not taking away a right because you have to pass a test in order to do so. Why not have those passing the test actually have skill and accuracy. Practice can make you proficient, and practice will make you familiar.

[Swampa]

Not in my class. He asked if everyone was comfortable loading and shooting. An older couple said no. He told them they could stay through the class work but wouldn't be allowed to qualify until they had proper training and could handle their gun on their own. They didn't pass that day. 2 other guys shot the roof of the indoor range. No lie, right into the ceiling. I'm chuckling as I type this. He kicked them out of the class. My wife was nervous about loading her pistol so I was talking her through it very non chalantely. He heard me and told me to stay quiet. It wasn't bs.

[double bogey]

Yes, this is quite a conundrum. On one hand, no one who can legally own a firearm should have any restrictions on carrying. On the other hand people who aren't familiar enough with a firearm can get a permit to carry. In the last renewal class I attended (renewed online this year) I stood up in class and recommended that people who were not comfortable handling there weapon, to see about a basic firearms course. I said it was nothing to be ashamed of, how can you gain familiarity with out actually working with your gun.
I agree with everyone here, from my first carry class in the mid 90's, and a couple of renewals, the classes are full of people that don't handle firearms well, and are very nervous and at least one dropping a gun every time.

[Theodore]

I've been saying for years that the tests are too simplistic. Let me be clear, I don't want to restrict anyone from carrying, but I do think we should be more than beginner-level ability to be issued a license to carry. To add insult to injury, I think we should also have a tiered system that allows greater degrees of ability to carry to locations that are currently banned. We could work out something like the driver's licensing system where if you want the ability to drive a wider range of vertices, you just need to practice and demonstrate proficiency--could be the same for LTC. I know that's not a popular idea so spare me the argument. Just my two cents.

[Deafishunter]

On my class. One lady who never handled a firearm before had almost shot me at the range. The bullet hit about 2 feed front of my leg. So I backed up away from her feeling a little nervous. Then the instructor passed her even her shots were terrible!