CFB Discussion - Week 1!

[Dale Moser]

I get the feeling the NCAA has had nothing all along, and still have plenty of it left. And they are just trying to bait ATM into suspending him on their own for 2 games so they can claim that "justice was served" without having to admit they had nothing, and not hurting ATM's chances a a nice run.

[Maroon Blade]

Standswithafist!!! Classic!! Good one Chad!

[Maroon Blade]

Most of us wish it would just go away. Time to play football. All hands on deck.

Couldn't have said it better!

[txarcher]

Most of us wish it would just go away. Time to play football. All hands on deck.

x2

[bdchorn]

Johnny plays, the NCAA has nothing solid to go. All they have is a statement by a source that is questionable at best and who would have enough os a conflict of interest as to never be allowed in a court of law.
I agree with Heath, the NCAA wants this to go away for two reasons. First, they know they can't prove anything so don't want to fight a losing battle. Two, this is a wide spreed occurance and would be a pandoras box they stated digging into it.

For the most part I agree, but the NCAA isn't a court of law and their burden of proof is significantly lower. Aggies have played this well by throwing up the red herring argument of if he was paid or not. Per NCAA bylaw it doesn't matter but so long as the brokers stay quiet then the NCAA is forced to sit JF on grounds that he should have known others were profiting. If even half of what ESPN has reported is true then IMHO he absolutely knew but I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell the NCAA suspends him on those grounds. Play ball!

[Chad C]

@ChuckCarltonDMN: Texas confirms senior DT Ashton Dorsey has decided to transfer. Wasn't a starter but was viewed as a potential playmaker, if motivated.

Weak in the head! Absent from depth chart so he's going to leave instead of working harder to compete.

[Sticks&Strings]

Rice will win halftime. Can't wait to see the Manziel parody. It's gonna be good.

Buddy of mine does rice's headsets and said the mob is now terrible. Said they are not funny and cant play and are an embarrassment.

And we have a decent band by most standards

[Burntorange Bowhunter]

The Showband of the Southwest Rules!

[Smart]

@ChuckCarltonDMN: Texas confirms senior DT Ashton Dorsey has decided to transfer. Wasn't a starter but was viewed as a potential playmaker, if motivated.

Weak in the head! Absent from depth chart so he's going to leave instead of working harder to compete.

Good.....no need to have a **** putting a stink in the team chemistry.

[Michael]

The Showband of the Southwest Rules!

I don't think they'll be at Kyle this weekend, either.

[Dave]

Bdchorn, you are right that the NCAA has a much lower level of proof. But Johhny has his own set of lawyers and if the NCAA suspends him without solid proof then they could find themselves in a civil court without evidence that they can use.

This is a huge grey area surrounding athletes autographs. Think of how many autographed items you have seen auctioned off by alumni groups for their benefit? The players didn't get paid but they could have known that someone was going to get paid. So by the NCAA rules they are guilty. So where do you draw the line?

Obviously accepting money for your signature, wether you agree with the rule or not, is a violation, but I think the NCAA doesn't want to get into that grey area in a court of law.

[krisw]

@ChuckCarltonDMN: Texas confirms senior DT Ashton Dorsey has decided to transfer. Wasn't a starter but was viewed as a potential playmaker, if motivated.

Weak in the head! Absent from depth chart so he's going to leave instead of working harder to compete.

Saw that earlier. They had claimed he had a calf problem. I'm all for the entitled players leaving though.

[Chad C]

Bdchorn, you are right that the NCAA has a much lower level of proof. But Johhny has his own set of lawyers and if the NCAA suspends him without solid proof then they could find themselves in a civil court without evidence that they can use.

This is a huge grey area surrounding athletes autographs. Think of how many autographed items you have seen auctioned off by alumni groups for their benefit? The players didn't get paid but they could have known that someone was going to get paid. So by the NCAA rules they are guilty. So where do you draw the line?

Obviously accepting money for your signature, wether you agree with the rule or not, is a violation, but I think the NCAA doesn't want to get into that grey area in a court of law.

That is the dilemma TAMU is dealing with. If they proceed to play JF without full knowledge of what cards the NCAA holds (whether they think they have it all figured out, or not), it could come down on the program at a later date. If they bench JF he could come after the University under the Sportsmans act.

The NCAA doesn't have to worry about burden of proof or JF suing them. They merely have to be 70% sure he profited.

How he answered signing the memorabilia could be all the link they want or needed.

I guess will find out tomorrow! The gag order by the AD is very odd in and of itself.

[Heath]

Shouldn't the NCAA also have a problem with the Manizel family "paying" Uncle Nate to be his handler? Uncle Nate was acting like an agent (at least employee) for JM then shouldn't they have an issue with this. Uncle Nate has since lawyered up.

[JVasquez]

They said top 20 so that removed Texas from the mix! I think its likely bogus, but the article claims SEC and ACC.

Of course it's bogus because Joe Schad hasn't reported it yet.