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    #61
    Originally posted by PlanoDano View Post
    I cannot disagree with much of what you have written here. I do not have a social media presence, besides here and I certainly do not spend my evenings plugged into one of the nightly opinion channels. Many of the people I interact with on a day to day basis are from out of state and some from out of the country. I think you are correct in saying that there is not much excitement for Joe Biden save for a few who believe that he can finish some things that Obama started and a contrasting few who believe he can bring the country together. Trump is polarizing, even more so than Obama. Trump, whether intentionally or not, is re-making the Republican party in his own image and how these Trump aligned candidates perform this fall will give us an idea of the strength of the new Republican party. One thought I am considering is, if 4 years from now we could see the Republican party lose much of it's relevance and the Democratic party split into a conservative and progressive branch with the conservative branch being joined by republicans who tend more towards reason than emotion.
    Have you seriously listened to the guy?
    How anyone can think Biden can put 3 sentences together without ****ing it up is beyond me...
    Forgive me, but if you seriously think Biden is the answer, you have issues...Serious issues.

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      #62
      Originally posted by jerp View Post
      Good and important question. I as well wonder if Trump wins, what the Republican Party will look like 4 years from now. Squishy party leaders brought a lot of this on themselves but I don't think this "middle finger," populist movement can last or govern long-term. It is sad to me that many principled, solid conservatives have been excommunicated - not for being true "Never Trumpers", but simply for having the temerity to criticize him when he does/says something ridiculous while praising his accomplishments. If you don't want to get blackballed by the current opinion makers on the right, you have to go full Hannity and do backbends to justify everything the president does.
      I like results. Did he hurt our Republic or step on our rights to get advantageous results for this country and the America people? Brash? Extremely! Maybe that’s what we need in this time of extreme ideology.

      As far as 4 years go, Trump will be remembered and as impactful as Regan was for the Republican Party, for generations to come. Trump is truly one of a kind.

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        #63
        Originally posted by Rubi513 View Post
        Have you seriously listened to the guy?
        How anyone can think Biden can put 3 sentences together without ****ing it up is beyond me...
        Forgive me, but if you seriously think Biden is the answer, you have issues...Serious issues.
        Rubi please read the complete sentence. I was agreeing with Jerp on the lack of enthusiasm for Biden. I also agree that Trump's core supporters are very enthusiastic. This is a problem for Biden.

        For the record I do support Biden. This is a trick test where I have to choose the best answer when no answer seems quite right. I consider myself to be a fiscal conservative especially in my own affairs. I did not support the stimulus or any of the 2008/2009 bailouts. This methodology of cutting taxes while increasing spending does not make sense to me. It would be like me moving from full time to part time employment and using my free time to go shopping. Forget covid look at the first 3 years national debt as a percent of GDP. In fact if you look at this metric over time you will find that the conservative party is not always the most conservative and the Reagan revolution was really a revolution of debt. Noticed how both parties worked to pay down the debt of the Great Depression and WWII
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          #64
          Plano. If you are conservative what is on the Harris-Biden platform that lines up with a conservative viewpoint?

          Healthcare for all?
          College for all?
          Open trade with China?

          Honest questions. I’m still trying to figure out the Harris platform other than marijuana. And for the record I don’t care about marijuana. What I have issue with is she is a DA and smoking weed. Again to me that seems like “Do as I say not as I do”.

          Maybe the 2a standpoint?

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            #65
            Mind boggling to me anyone could consider Biden when he's stated he'll place pendejo puto as head czar of the 2nd repeal brigade...there is absolutely no way plano can articulate how the US is fiscally better off with a Biden admin when the man himself doesn't even have a policy to share. It's all about hating orange man & disregard the economy the past 3 years & the stock market. Back to the conversation.

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            Keep your powder dry.

            Attorney General William Barr went after Democrats this week on a range of issues, including rumors that President Trump would attempt to stay in office if he loses the general election in November.


            “As an attorney general, I’m not supposed to get into politics,” Barr told Kass. “But…I think we are getting into a position where we’re going to find ourselves irrevocably committed to a socialist path. And I think if Trump loses this election -- that will be the case.”

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              #66
              Originally posted by glen View Post
              Plano. If you are conservative what is on the Harris-Biden platform that lines up with a conservative viewpoint?

              Healthcare for all?
              College for all?
              Open trade with China?

              Honest questions. I’m still trying to figure out the Harris platform other than marijuana. And for the record I don’t care about marijuana. What I have issue with is she is a DA and smoking weed. Again to me that seems like “Do as I say not as I do”.

              Maybe the 2a standpoint?
              Those are valid questions. I think the questions should be more for Congress than the presidential candidate. I certainly don't have all the answers on all of the but I do have some views.

              Healthcare for all?
              There is already healthcare for all there is just not billing for all. The care is typically provided through emergency rooms. It would be really hard to quantify but I would bet that the hospitals are making up the difference by gouging those with insurance. In the mean time every service provider along the ways gets a little extra. Ever had professionals not in network try and bill you? Honestly, the republicans need to put together a plan and "no plan" is not a better plan. In my own business "best product at the best price for a particular price point" is the best practice. We have the most expensive healthcare system and it is not delivering results that justify that price point.

              College for all?
              Biden's plan is to strengthen the community college system which I agree with. I do not agree with free college for everyone making under 125K. You would be surprised at who are able to get their net income below 125k. I would be good with setting up laws that punish those who set up degree mills or other means of taking advantage of people getting student loans.

              China trade?
              Even though I have some first hand experience in this war I do not have the knowledge to critique Trump's response or Biden's plan. I know there is disagreement in Trump's camp on how to proceed between Navarro, Cavuto, Pompeo and Mnuchin. I am sure there will be at least similar discord in Biden's response. Pompeo's experience gives the Trump team an edge here because I see China trade as a counter espionage problem. It is going to be messy.


              2A requires an amendment to repeal. It is not going to happen.


              I don't care if Harris smoked weed in her 20s or who Trump slept with or who Harris slept with or who Pence did not sleep with.

              It is annoying that Trump dodged the draft but not a deal breaker because none of us are the same person now as we were in the 60s.

              I will not spend anymore time on this as I have made up my mind and am convince that everyone else has also. The undecided pool is miniscule. The job is for leader of the USA and by default leader of the free world. I think it is obvious that Trump has not only failed to live up to that calling but is incapable of rising to that calling.

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                #67
                Originally posted by planodano View Post
                those are valid questions. I think the questions should be more for congress than the presidential candidate. I certainly don't have all the answers on all of the but i do have some views.

                Healthcare for all?
                There is already healthcare for all there is just not billing for all. The care is typically provided through emergency rooms. It would be really hard to quantify but i would bet that the hospitals are making up the difference by gouging those with insurance. In the mean time every service provider along the ways gets a little extra. Ever had professionals not in network try and bill you? Honestly, the republicans need to put together a plan and "no plan" is not a better plan. In my own business "best product at the best price for a particular price point" is the best practice. We have the most expensive healthcare system and it is not delivering results that justify that price point.

                College for all?
                Biden's plan is to strengthen the community college system which i agree with. I do not agree with free college for everyone making under 125k. You would be surprised at who are able to get their net income below 125k. I would be good with setting up laws that punish those who set up degree mills or other means of taking advantage of people getting student loans.

                China trade?
                Even though i have some first hand experience in this war i do not have the knowledge to critique trump's response or biden's plan. I know there is disagreement in trump's camp on how to proceed between navarro, cavuto, pompeo and mnuchin. I am sure there will be at least similar discord in biden's response. Pompeo's experience gives the trump team an edge here because i see china trade as a counter espionage problem. It is going to be messy.


                2a requires an amendment to repeal. It is not going to happen.


                I don't care if harris smoked weed in her 20s or who trump slept with or who harris slept with or who pence did not sleep with.

                It is annoying that trump dodged the draft but not a deal breaker because none of us are the same person now as we were in the 60s.

                I will not spend anymore time on this as i have made up my mind and am convince that everyone else has also. The undecided pool is miniscule. The job is for leader of the usa and by default leader of the free world. I think it is obvious that trump has not only failed to live up to that calling but is incapable of rising to that calling.

                hilarious.....

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                  #68
                  All this from a man who's not even sure what state he's in right now...again, tds is real. Biden can't even articulate his own policies without a teleprompter.

                  This is an ACTUAL quote from a Biden speech...I swear, we are going to need a Biden Translator at the debates.

                  This is your savior plano:

                  "Cause if you could take care, if you were a quartermaster, you can sure in hell care running' a, you know, a department store uh, thing, you know, where, in the second floor of the ladies department or whatever you now what I mean."

                  How can anyone vote this degenerate.

                  [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8X7IGFHzc8"]Joe Biden - Gaffe - You know, where, in the second floor of the ladies department or whatever - YouTube[/ame]

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                    #69
                    Planodano, Biden can’t even put together a coherent sentence. How in the hell do you think he can run a country?

                    As far as Trump goes, he has done more for this country and it’s citizens than any other president, but you claim he’s “not capable”?

                    Hate must be a really nasty emotion that obviously causes blindness.

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                      #70
                      Dang Johnny! We were planning on moving in with y’all as well! Shat!

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by Artos View Post
                        All this from a man who's not even sure what state he's in right now...again, tds is real. Biden can't even articulate his own policies without a teleprompter.

                        This is an ACTUAL quote from a Biden speech...I swear, we are going to need a Biden Translator at the debates.

                        This is your savior plano:

                        "Cause if you could take care, if you were a quartermaster, you can sure in hell care running' a, you know, a department store uh, thing, you know, where, in the second floor of the ladies department or whatever you now what I mean."

                        How can anyone vote this degenerate.

                        Joe Biden - Gaffe - You know, where, in the second floor of the ladies department or whatever - YouTube
                        You mean to tell me you don't think he's capable of being the leader of our great nation?!
                        How anyone can believe hes more capable than Trump is beyond me. What they need to say and admit to is that they hate orange man and that's all there is to it. If you actually believe that our country is better off in a man who can barely read what's on the teleprompter barely think on his own anymore who had been in politics for 20 plus years and done absolutely nothing...well im at a loss for words.

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by PlanoDano View Post
                          Those are valid questions. I think the questions should be more for Congress than the presidential candidate. I certainly don't have all the answers on all of the but I do have some views.

                          Healthcare for all?
                          There is already healthcare for all there is just not billing for all. The care is typically provided through emergency rooms. It would be really hard to quantify but I would bet that the hospitals are making up the difference by gouging those with insurance. In the mean time every service provider along the ways gets a little extra. Ever had professionals not in network try and bill you? Honestly, the republicans need to put together a plan and "no plan" is not a better plan. In my own business "best product at the best price for a particular price point" is the best practice. We have the most expensive healthcare system and it is not delivering results that justify that price point.

                          College for all?
                          Biden's plan is to strengthen the community college system which I agree with. I do not agree with free college for everyone making under 125K. You would be surprised at who are able to get their net income below 125k. I would be good with setting up laws that punish those who set up degree mills or other means of taking advantage of people getting student loans.

                          China trade?
                          Even though I have some first hand experience in this war I do not have the knowledge to critique Trump's response or Biden's plan. I know there is disagreement in Trump's camp on how to proceed between Navarro, Cavuto, Pompeo and Mnuchin. I am sure there will be at least similar discord in Biden's response. Pompeo's experience gives the Trump team an edge here because I see China trade as a counter espionage problem. It is going to be messy.


                          2A requires an amendment to repeal. It is not going to happen.


                          I don't care if Harris smoked weed in her 20s or who Trump slept with or who Harris slept with or who Pence did not sleep with.

                          It is annoying that Trump dodged the draft but not a deal breaker because none of us are the same person now as we were in the 60s.

                          I will not spend anymore time on this as I have made up my mind and am convince that everyone else has also. The undecided pool is miniscule. The job is for leader of the USA and by default leader of the free world. I think it is obvious that Trump has not only failed to live up to that calling but is incapable of rising to that calling.

                          This post right here is the perfect example of the fact that intelligence and common sense are two VASTLY different things! This is the most well though out, well written piece of garbage I think I've ever wasted my time reading here on the forum.


                          I must go back to an earlier post in a similar thread some weeks ago, You sir are more full of stuffing than 2 Thanksgiving or Christmas turkeys!

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by Artos View Post
                            The've even thrown out the scenario if no result as of Jan 21, the speaker of the house becomes potus!! God help us.
                            I think this is there plan. Trump wins by a landslide. Democratic states do the mail in votes and burger it up in the courts until Jan 21. Then it doesn't matter who won speaker of the house is potus. That is why they are pushing mail in. This is the only chance they have to win.

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by dbpredator View Post
                              I'm not sure where some of y'all can come up with Trump will win in a landslide. Florida and Pennsylvania both have to go to Trump and either Nevada or Arizona to win. I think Florida will and Pennsylvania might but it's a real tossup in my opinion. Texas will be solid red. I do think potus has a chance and hope he wins but it will be close.

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                              he will win BIGLY; 'cept for the bogus mail in fraud ballots.

                              but hey; 2 can play that game, right?

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by CaptainDave View Post
                                I think turn-out is a great point and will be a key reason why I believe Trump will win.

                                Democrat turn-out will be lower than the last election with Hillary running. Democrat turn-out for Hillary was lower than Obama, which was a key reasoning for Trump victory in swing states. The margin of Trump victory in some States was less than the estimated decline in dem turnout.

                                I don't see much that would indicate turn-out for Biden would be better than Hillary.
                                - Biden completely lacks enthusiasm and even many liberals agree with that.
                                - Entire Biden platform is anti-Trump; this does not fully energize the voting base; especially the non-rabbid base that might just stay home and vote for nobody.

                                In contrast, Trump's base is clearly motivated and as mentioned, recent polls are indicating Trump is picking up more Latinos and blacks than any recent republican running.
                                hence the mail in vote.....

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