Bernie Sanders is going to kill this country, given a chance

[Ætheling]

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Exactly, isn't that the point?

[PondPopper]

Good Lord...make it stop!!

Amen.

[ttechdallas]

Have you ever personally visited another country living under socialism? If so did you speak to the people while you where there? What was your thoughts on the place post visit upon your return?

Come on, that is not even a reasonable argument because no one is advocating for the US to become socialist. Bernie is not even a socialist nor is the US a capitalist nation.

It just blows me away how many people, in general, dismiss out of hand anything that comes from the other side oftentimes based on false arguments.

Personally, I would not hold anything about our college and university systems as sacred - especially since many have basically become liberal hate machines that stifle free speech while churning profits backs into worthless degree programs that produce degrees with zero value instead of preparing students for the real world.

[Ætheling]

[QUOTE=ttechdallas;11146159]Come on, that is not even a reasonable argument because no one is advocating for the US to become socialist. Bernie is not even a socialist nor is the US a capitalist nation.QUOTE]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

[curtintex]

The value of a college education is less today than ever before. If it were FREE, it would have even less value. Higher Ed is a big business and America has been duped into believing that's the best way to be successful....it's not. Hard work, and a reasonable definition of success, is the best way to be successful. I hire college kids with no work ethic and they don't last. Of course if someone has both, that's great, but they'll always get more mileage out of their work ethic, determination and desire to be better than they ever will out of a piece of paper.

I paid for my daughter's degree at TAMU's Mays Business School. Where she also had to take classes like Geology, weight training, history, etc..... Money spent on crap that in no way helped her prepare for the business world. She graduated without any real understanding of business in the real world. She could have pulled up a chair next to my desk for 4 years and gotten a business education.....taxes, bankers, balance sheets, employees, insurance, customer relations, etc....she could lift weights on her own time.

Bernie Sanders is just wrong. You can't GIVE away anything if you want it to have value. Anything worth having is worth working for. Free STUFF makes people want to sit on their porch and draw a check. We've got enough of that already.

[Bazo]

You really want all of these kids to serve? Have you been on a college campus lately?

I think they would have the snot wiped from their noses in the military. They would come out more responsible and ready to learn and contribute rather than crying about their feelings and wanting a safe place.

[ttechdallas]

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Come on, that is not even a reasonable argument because no one is advocating for the US to become socialist. Bernie is not even a socialist nor is the US a capitalist nation.QUOTE]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

I should have qualified that by saying that we are not pure capitalism and have elements of what would be described by many as social democracy. Most democrats can't even tell you the difference between being a democrat vs a social democrat.

Considering other points of view or even potential changes however does not mean turning the country into a socialist country. I could have framed that a lot better.

[J Wales]

I actually like Bernie. When a candidate is honest, say unlike Hillary, I think it is actually good to understand their positions and arguments. It seems to me that there are a lot of positions that people on the right and left get locked into that are not as reasoned as they think. But they are liberal or conservative and that is enough.

Does Medicare for everyone really mean the government controls your healthcare? No more than it is controlled by greedy insurance companies today. On free public college, I get the rationale and am not sure it is a bad thing. As for minimum wage, if it had kept with inflation, it would be $11 at the low end. There are issues as well where I think we dig into conservative positions that may not be reasonable.

As for Wall Street and big business, I actually think Bernie nails it. Which is exactly why the same thing that is going on over here in the GOP with the "establishment" is going on over there with their "establishment". The Democratic party is bought and paid for and will do anything to make sure Bernie doesn't get elected. They want someone they can control.

I agree with some of what you said...regarding Wall Street and big business, it is funny how Bernie is closer to the conservatives than he is to Hillary.

However, everything you said in the middle paragraph is just wrong. Yes, Medicare for everyone is wrong. I'd rather have the greedy insurance companies, because if I don't like the one I'm with, I can shop for another. I can't shop for another Medicare administrator. On the minimum wage, if it kept up with inflation, it would still be $0. For thousands of years, there was no minimum wage, and people got by. If you insist on having one, it should be a state issue, instead of federally mandated.

[Theodore]

I actually like certain elements of socialism such as insurance programs. I pay my part each month and if something happens, I work with my insurer to pay the bills. If someone is so opposed to socialism, do they abstain from insurance programs? I know, we're forced (or very strongly pressured and can be financially penalized) to participate in some programs, but we also opt into many of them.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think pure socialism would work well. But, there are parts of our society that benefit from programs that are socialist in nature.

I like some things about Bernie, I'll admit that I do--not enough to vote for him. But he should have kept his platform to fewer, more reasonable reforms if wanted credibility.

But let's be honest, does anyone think that if (by some miracle) he is elected that he'll be able to pull off all of his reforms?

[flywise]

I actually like certain elements of socialism such as insurance programs. I pay my part each month and if something happens, I work with my insurer to pay the bills. If someone is so opposed to socialism, do they abstain from insurance programs? I know, we're forced (or very strongly pressured and can be financially penalized) to participate in some programs, but we also opt into many of them.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think pure socialism would work well. But, there are parts of our society that benefit from programs that are socialist in nature.

I like some things about Bernie, I'll admit that I do--not enough to vote for him. But he should have kept his platform to fewer, more reasonable reforms if wanted credibility.

But let's be honest, does anyone think that if (by some miracle) he is elected that he'll be able to pull off all of his reforms?

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[ttechdallas]

I agree with some of what you said...regarding Wall Street and big business, it is funny how Bernie is closer to the conservatives than he is to Hillary.

However, everything you said in the middle paragraph is just wrong. Yes, Medicare for everyone is wrong. I'd rather have the greedy insurance companies, because if I don't like the one I'm with, I can shop for another. I can't shop for another Medicare administrator. On the minimum wage, if it kept up with inflation, it would still be $0. For thousands of years, there was no minimum wage, and people got by. If you insist on having one, it should be a state issue, instead of federally mandated.

Healthcare is the perfect example of the problem if you ask me. Both sides get stuck to their respective positions-and nothing ever happens.`I hate hate hate Obamacare and especially the way that dishonest man in office lied to get it passed. But what the heck did Republicans ever do but fight it while taking huge donations from health and related industries.

Maybe I have just reached a point where I no longer buy the automatic arguments used by the Republican party as to why things can't change or right way to change them is to let capitalism work. I don't buy those from the left either but in the event of that rare, honest candidate, I listen and do my own research.

Bernie is honest. Bernie knows Hillary is not. He knows he can't win this election. So he is actually fighting for what he personally believes is right. I don't agree with all his solutions but at least they are worth considering.

[Theodore]

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I did, insurance programs such as healthcare (and life insurance and disability insurance).

A few other off the top of my head are public schools, police departments, fire departments, transportation departments, and TPWD. They are all funded by tax dollars that we are forced to pay (under financial penalties) and they fund programs that not everyone uses equally, but are paid for by everyone. It's a rather generalized socialism, but it is socialist in nature. We just accept it because it's what we're accustomed to having.

If you're asking about other sectors of our society that could move to a more socialist format, I think healthcare and education could more in that direction. I don't think free will work--nothing is free and it shouldn't be to the consumer. But I do think that we could better manage both of those if we simply the over-burdened systems they're currently under and I think it's something we could consider. I'm not saying we should just jump in and do it because it sounds nice, but I think it's worth considering all options.

[flywise]

I did, insurance programs such as healthcare (and life insurance and disability insurance).

A few other off the top of my head are public schools, police departments, fire departments, transportation departments, and TPWD. They are all funded by tax dollars that we are forced to pay (under financial penalties) and they fund programs that not everyone uses equally, but are paid for by everyone. It's a rather generalized socialism, but it is socialist in nature. We just accept it because it's what we're accustomed to having.

If you're asking about other sectors of our society that could move to a more socialist format, I think healthcare and education could more in that direction. I don't think free will work--nothing is free and it shouldn't be to the consumer. But I do think that we could better manage both of those if we simply the over-burdened systems they're currently under and I think it's something we could consider. I'm not saying we should just jump in and do it because it sounds nice, but I think it's worth considering all options.

Public schools are a disaster
gov. health care is a disaster
gov. welfare is an evil scheme to enslave a portion of the society, and a disaster
gov. mail is a disaster
fire and police are local and not socialist
anything the feds touch is worse off than it was.

[batmaninja]

Bernie is honest. Bernie knows Hillary is not. He knows he can't win this election. So he is actually fighting for what he personally believes is right........using other peoples money.

Sure is easy to fight the good fight when you have no skin of your own in the game.

[systemnt]

Bernie is honest. Bernie knows Hillary is not. He knows he can't win this election. So he is actually fighting for what he personally believes is right........using other peoples money.

Sure is easy to fight the good fight when you have no skin of your own in the game.

Honest?
He's a life long politician.
That's Impossible.