Ford or GM

[piercebronkite]

I'll stick with the Ford. Remember, GM was bailed out by us, the tax payers in 2008.

Just picked up a new 21 F-150 Tremor. Ordered on 8/9 and took delivery on 11/11.

[Dale Moser]

I'll stick with the Ford. Remember, GM was bailed out by us, the tax payers in 2008.

Just picked up a new 21 F-150 Tremor. Ordered on 8/9 and took delivery on 11/11.

Ugggghhhh....so was Ford.

[tpack]

I’m currently driving a ‘20 Chevy 3500HD with 6.6 gasser. The truck has 20,928 miles on it and I’ve already had to put 8 qts of oil in it between changes. I pull a 30’ trailer loaded with skid steer and equipment regularly and GM says the oil consumption issue is within their tolerances of 1 qt per 100 gallons of fuel burned. I’m going to the dealership on Tuesday to discuss this and if they don’t do something to make it right, this lifelong Chevy guy will go check out the fords.

That’s enough to make me never buy another GMC product. My 03 Dodge with 161000 miles on it looks better all the time.

[piercebronkite]

Ugggghhhh....so was Ford.

That I did not know.

[WItoTX]

That I did not know.

My understanding is all of them got $$$ from the government. Ford has to pay back it's entire loan balance, while GM and Dodge did not (TARP funds). There was also some shenanigans with GM and Dodge stock, where some people got screwed over, and Ford promised to deliver a certain amount of green cars.

Likely I am completely wrong, but I think that's basically how it went LOL

[Dale Moser]

I’m currently driving a ‘20 Chevy 3500HD with 6.6 gasser. The truck has 20,928 miles on it and I’ve already had to put 8 qts of oil in it between changes. I pull a 30’ trailer loaded with skid steer and equipment regularly and GM says the oil consumption issue is within their tolerances of 1 qt per 100 gallons of fuel burned. I’m going to the dealership on Tuesday to discuss this and if they don’t do something to make it right, this lifelong Chevy guy will go check out the fords.

I'd park that thing in their showroom until they put a new motor in it, that's absurd. I havn't had a vehicle that burned oil since I sold our last Mack 10 years ago...

[Dale Moser]

That I did not know.

Different program, but they were on the same teat.

[Greenheadless]

I'd park that thing in their showroom until they put a new motor in it, that's absurd. I havn't had a vehicle that burned oil since I sold our last Mack 10 years ago...

My fleet 2018 F150 coyote motor burns a quart to2 quarts every 5K miles.

All the others our fleet, the same year model and motor do the same.

Ford has as fix they will sell you. It literally is a new dipstick with new markings on it. I cannot make this stuff up.

Search F150 burning oil……it’s not a big secret.

[newmathewsfan]

I'd park that thing in their showroom until they put a new motor in it, that's absurd. I havn't had a vehicle that burned oil since I sold our last Mack 10 years ago...

I’ll be having a sit down with them next week. There is a technical bulletin from GM from several years ago that says 1qt/100gal fuel burned is acceptable. The truck gets around 12mpg everyday driving so basically every 1200 miles I pour in a quart. On 7500 mile oil change interval, I’m expected to be ok adding 6 qts to an engine with 10 qt capacity. Heck, I shouldn’t ever have to change oil, just screw on a new filter and keep on trucking.

[bbbuck]

Ram 2500 diesel or gas? I’ve been looking at them myself.


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Gas.

[Low Fence]

I’ll be having a sit down with them next week. There is a technical bulletin from GM from several years ago that says 1qt/100gal fuel burned is acceptable. The truck gets around 12mpg everyday driving so basically every 1200 miles I pour in a quart. On 7500 mile oil change interval, I’m expected to be ok adding 6 qts to an engine with 10 qt capacity. Heck, I shouldn’t ever have to change oil, just screw on a new filter and keep on trucking.

You have a 2cycle!

[newmathewsfan]

file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/fd/13/8D8B84E1-4C14-4FA5-B742-7BDE44F8C5B0/MC-10176645-9999.pdf

Not sure if this will work or not


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[newmathewsfan]

Service Bulletin
Bulletin No.: 03-06-01-023D Date: June, 2020
Subject: Models:
INFORMATION
Higher Than Expected Oil Consumption at 8600 GVW and Above
2020 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD/3500HD with 6.6L RPO (L8T) 2000-2019 Chevrolet Express, Silverado, 2500/3500, Suburban 2002-2013 Chevrolet Avalanche
2003-2010 Chevrolet Kodiak C4500-C5500 Series Models
2020 GMC Sierra 2500HD/3500HD 6.6L RPO (L8T) 2000-2019 GMC Savana, Sierra, 2500/3500, Yukon XL 2003-2010 GMC TopKick C4500-C5500 Series Models 2003-2010 HUMMER H2
with Gasoline Engine and Rated at 8600 GVW and above
This bulletin has been revised to add 2020 Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra models. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 03-06-01-023C.
Information on Engine Oil Consumption
Guidelines
All engines require oil to lubricate and protect the load bearing and internal moving parts from wear including cylinder walls, pistons and piston rings. When a piston moves down its cylinder, a thin film of oil is left on the cylinder wall. During the combustion process, part of this oil layer is consumed. As a result, varying rates of oil consumption are accepted as normal in all engines.
Oil Consumption
Oil usage has a direct relationship with the amount of fuel used. The harder an engine works, the more fuel and oil it will use. Therefore, oil usage as a factor of fuel usage is a more accurate indicator of acceptable oil consumption levels than vehicle mileage for vehicles at or above 8600 GVW.
The accepted rate of oil consumption for gasoline engines in vehicles at or above 8600 GVW is 0.946 liter (1 qt) within 379 liters (100 gallons) of fuel used. This rate only applies to vehicles under warranty, maintained in accordance with the appropriate maintenance schedule, driven at legal speeds and within design intent of the vehicle.
Many factors can affect an owner's concern with oil consumption. Driving habits and vehicle maintenance vary from owner to owner. Thoroughly evaluate each case before deciding whether the vehicle in question has abnormal engine oil consumption.
Gasket and External Leaks
Inspect the oil pans, engine covers, and the engine oil cooler for leakage. Inspect for oil leakage into the engine coolant.
Improper Reading of the Oil Level
Indicator (Dipstick)
The vehicle must be parked on a level surface to obtain accurate oil level readings. Verify that the dipstick tube is fully seated in the block. When checking the oil level, make sure the dipstick is wiped clean before taking an oil level reading and fully depress the dipstick until the shoulder bottoms out on the dipstick tube. The dipstick should be the proper part number for the engine/vehicle that is being checked.
Not Waiting Long Enough After
Running Engine to Check Oil Level
The vehicle should be allowed to sit for at least 15 minutes, after the engine has been shut off, before taking an oil level reading to assure the oil has had enough time to drain back into the crankcase. In order to ensure accurate results, the temperature of the oil should be close to the same temperature as the last time the oil level was checked.
Improper Oil Fill After an Oil Change
Following an oil change, verify that the proper amount and type of oil was put in the engine and that the oil level on the dipstick is not above the full mark or below the add marks. Refer to the Owner's Manual or Service Manual for information on recommended oil quantity, viscosity, and quality.
Copyright 2020 General Motors LLC. All Rights Reserved.

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High Speed or High RPM Driving
June, 2020 Bulletin No.: 03-06-01-023D Measurement of Oil Consumption
Continuous driving at high speeds/high RPMs may increase oil consumption. Because this may not always be an everyday occurrence, it is hard to determine exactly how much the oil economy will be affected.
Towing or Heavy Usage
Towing a trailer or hauling additional weight will increase oil consumption. Large frontal area trailers will further increase the work required from the engine, especially at highway speeds, and thus increases the rate of oil consumption.
PTO Operation
Operation of a PTO will increase fuel and oil usage, as the PTO driven accessory uses engine power to operate.
Crankcase Ventilation System
Verify that the positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) system is operating properly. Blockages, restrictions or damage to the PCV system can result in increased
oil use.
Oil Dilution from Condensation
On vehicles that are usually driven short distances, less than 8 km (5 mi), especially in colder weather, condensation generated from cold engine operation may not get hot enough to evaporate out of the oil. When this occurs, the dipstick may indicate that the oil level is over-full. Subsequent driving on a trip of sufficient length to enable normal engine operating temperature for 30 minutes or more, in order to vaporize excess moisture, may give the customer the impression of excessive oil consumption.
Engine Temperature
If an engine is run at overheated temperatures (see Owner's Manual or Service Manual) for more than brief periods, oil will oxidize at a faster than normal rate. In addition, gaskets may distort, piston rings may stick, and excessive wear may result. Verify that all cooling system components are in proper working order.
Engine Wear
Piston scuffing, excessive piston-to-wall clearance, tapered or out of round cylinders, worn, damaged or improperly installed valve guides, seals and piston rings will all cause an increase in oil consumption.
Engines require a period of time to BREAK IN so that moving parts are properly seated. Therefore, oil economy should not be tested until the vehicle has accumulated at least 8000 km (5000 mi) and the oil has been changed for the first time. During initial engine break-in periods before the first oil change, oil consumption may exceed 1.9 liters (2 quarts) or more per 379 liters (100 gallons) of fuel used.
1. Verify that the engine has no external leaks. Repair as necessary.
2. Beginoilconsumptiontestafternextregularly scheduled oil and filter change. Oil changes should not be performed during the test.
3. Verifythattheengineisatnormaloperating temperature (see Owner's Manual or Service Manual).
4. Park the vehicle on a level surface.
5. Waitatleast15minutes,aftertheengineisshut off, before checking the oil level to make sure that most of the oil has had time to drain back into the crankcase.
6. Verifythattheoillevelisat,butnotabove,thefull mark on the dipstick and that the proper viscosity and quality oil are being used as recommended in the Owner's Manual.
7. Dealershouldrecordthevehiclemileage,dateand engine hours at the start of the test on the form included in this bulletin.
8. Askthecustomertoverifyandrecordthedate, odometer, oil level, fuel added, and engine hours, each time the vehicle is fueled, following steps 3-5 and return the vehicle to the dealership if the oil level is found at or below the add mark, 0.946 liter (1 qt) low, if possible. The dealer will add oil to return the oil level to full. If the oil level remains above the add mark, the customer should continue to operate the vehicle and verify the engine oil level until either the oil level drops to or below the add mark or at least 4800 km (3000 mi) has accumulated since the test began before returning to the dealership for a final evaluation.
9. Ifthefinalevaluationshowsthattheengineuses more than 0.946 liter (1 qt) in 379 liters
(100 gallons) of fuel used, follow the published symptom diagnostics as described in the appropriate Service Manual. If the oil consumption test shows that the engine uses less than
0.946 liter (1 qt) in 379 liters (100 gallons) of fuel used, explain to the customer that their engine meets the guidelines for oil consumption

[Dale Moser]

“Acceptable” lol

Nope, they don’t get to decide what is acceptable. That’s ridiculous.

I believe I’d have a set down as well, and if they couldn’t solve it, they’d own that truck again before I left.


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[WTN]

Well I just experienced the death wobble for the first time today in my 2017 F250. Not fun.