MLB ban

[Smart]

Should the NBA ban intentionally fouling bad free throw shooters at the end of the game? Ala "hack a shaq".

Or should the "best players in the world" just learn to make a ****ing free throw?


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At one time zone defense was illegal in the NBA...I think around 2000 maybe they were allowed .

Now that they are legal, the NBA does ban being in the key for more than 3 seconds for defensive players too.. (offense has always been that way.) With that they can’t all pile in around the rim and prevent. That same defensive three seconds foul keeps the zone defenses to a minimum compared to man to man. So yes the NBA does have some rules to lessen defensive alignment advantages ... just sayin’[emoji23]

[CMLambin]

CMLambin- You are or were involved in baseball as a coach- Why not just have them push bunt to to shift?

I am still involved, as a hitting coach and as a hitting coach, the shift crushes guys. The other team would LOVE if Joey Gallo would just bunt or hit it the other way. Singles don’t win baseball games. The metrics support the fact that extra base hits are exponentially more valuable. However, that pursuit of those extra base hits make for more Ks and lower BA’s (which is an antiquated stat). SO, Ban the shift, raise the league BA and then get robot umpires and that would lower the K rate. Boom, problem solved.


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[J&M Hamilton10]

I am still involved, as a hitting coach and as a hitting coach, the shift crushes guys. The other team would LOVE if Joey Gallo would just bunt or hit it the other way. Singles don’t win baseball games. The metrics support the fact that extra base hits are exponentially more valuable. However, that pursuit of those extra base hits make for more Ks and lower BA’s (which is an antiquated stat). SO, Ban the shift, raise the league BA and then get robot umpires and that would lower the K rate. Boom, problem solved.


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This^^^

There have been Joey Gallo's in baseball for a 100 years. If the shift and strategy was used since the beginning some of the leagues greats would possibly not exist. Gallo for example would be a .250 .260 hitter if this was 20 years ago from the amount of would be hits taken away by the shift. I don't want my sluggers bunting and hitting for singles

[CMLambin]

This^^^



There have been Joey Gallo's in baseball for a 100 years. If the shift and strategy was used since the beginning some of the leagues greats would possibly not exist. Gallo for example would be a .250 .260 hitter if this was 20 years ago from the amount of would be hits taken away by the shift. I don't want my sluggers bunting and hitting for singles

Well said


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[JLivi1224]

I am still involved, as a hitting coach and as a hitting coach, the shift crushes guys. The other team would LOVE if Joey Gallo would just bunt or hit it the other way. Singles don’t win baseball games. The metrics support the fact that extra base hits are exponentially more valuable. However, that pursuit of those extra base hits make for more Ks and lower BA’s (which is an antiquated stat). SO, Ban the shift, raise the league BA and then get robot umpires and that would lower the K rate. Boom, problem solved.


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As a hitting coach you’re I favor of this because it would make hitters more succcessful, I get that from a business perspective.
But how do you feel from a fan POV?
Robot umpires would be awful imo. Knowing who’s behind the plate and their tendencies greatly affects a pitchers, and for that matter a hitters, game plan.
IMO the human element behind the plate is part of the game. If that ever changes to a review process or robotics, I would be very disappointed in MLB.

[rockyraider]

This has been an interesting read. Lots of different perspectives and points of view expressed here. I don't have a real strong feeling either way. At a very basic, gut level, I don't really like the shift. Something's just not right about seeing the third baseman playing short, short playing second, second playing in right field, etc..... Just doesn't seem right. Again, I don't really care, just a strange thing to look up and see. The issue with telling hitters to learn to hit opposite field, is that guys are pitched into the shift intentionally. Granted, hitting to the opposite field is somewhat a dying aspect of the game, but you'd be amazed how many of the best hitters in baseball approach hitting from up the middle and away. Yes they still pull with power, but the best hitters in the game find a way to use the whole field. It is sort of disheartening to see a great player with 30 less singles in a season due to the shift. As mentioned though, modern baseball is all about extra base hits and home runs for the most part. That's why you don't see power guys bunting or trying to hit singes to the opposite side. Things evolve, technology and advanced metrics play a bigger and bigger role, new ideas come along, etc... I don't think MLB will ban the shift and maybe they shouldn't. As far as speeding up the game, I hear this all the time. I honestly don't care about that, but that's just me. I get it, putting fans into seats, selling beer and hotdogs and jerseys is the true "game", and we are living in an instant gratification, instant results, instant excitement world these days. Heck, half of the idiots attending games these days spend more time on their phones than they do watching the game. To that I say, if you don't like the way the game is played, don't watch it. I know that's easy for me to say, its not my money on the line, its the ownership's capital investment that they are concerned with. If you want non-stop action, go watch soccer. As far as NL vs AL baseball, I don't really care. It is what it is, pitching changes do get tiresome in the NL, but pitching has also evolved to the point that its pretty nutty these days in both the NL and AL. Whatever guys, I like baseball.

[tigerscowboy]

People are weak as ever.

If the DC decided to all out blitz too often, would that be negative?

Or is it the OCs job to deal with it and be productive?

This talk is weak BS.

[sandbill]

Do not ban the shift. Hitters need to spend more time working on ''hitting it where they ain't'. Bat control is a lost art.

[tigerscowboy]

Do not ban the shift. Hitters need to spend more time working on ''hitting it where they ain't'. Bat control is a lost art.

^^^^^
Agree 110%

Since when did any offense stop taking advantage of players out of position?

[CMLambin]

How long would the fans keep showing up to watch someone who is 6’5” slap a single the other way and then get stranded at first because they can’t steal, followed by three strike outs because the pitchers are throwing, on average, harder then Nolan Ryan in his prime? Not very long. If a simple rule adjustment could make the game better and more enjoyable to watch, why be against it? Just because “it’s just the way it’s always been”? Sports evolve. NFL has added video review and NBA has banned certain defenses.


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[jer_james]

Banning the shifts is dumb.

Allowing the DH is dumb.

Pitchers hitting is not dumb. It would be taken more seriously if it was made to be taken more seriously.

[glen]

I like watching hit and run baseball and small ball. Yes pitchers have evolved but so have hitters for the most part. Nolan would not dominate a lineup in the show today. Id like to see a few more bunts, hit and run, heck even a squeeze. Ive only seen 2 squeeze plays live in the show. One was successful one was not. I can say the entire stands were pumped up and talking about it standing on their feet on both occasions. Its not all about launch angle. Look at all the responses here- looks like most fans would like to see someone take the head of the bat and put their hands in front of it and punch it opposite field.

[CMLambin]

I like watching hit and run baseball and small ball. Yes pitchers have evolved but so have hitters for the most part. Nolan would not dominate a lineup in the show today. Id like to see a few more bunts, hit and run, heck even a squeeze. Ive only seen 2 squeeze plays live in the show. One was successful one was not. I can say the entire stands were pumped up and talking about it standing on their feet on both occasions. Its not all about launch angle. Look at all the responses here- looks like most fans would like to see someone take the head of the bat and put their hands in front of it and punch it opposite field.

Great points. I agree that playing team baseball and manufacturing runs is a dying art. Being a complete hitter stilll needs to be taught. It’s a tricky topic because of how heavily the metrics of today’s game are weighed and that data tends to lean against what makes for small ball.


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[CMLambin]

Bottom line is people want more offense and the game would benefit from eliminating certain egregious shifts. It would also benefit to have more well rounded hitters. Why not have both?


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[diamond10x]

Banning the shifts is dumb.

Allowing the DH is dumb.

Pitchers hitting is not dumb. It would be taken more seriously if it was made to be taken more seriously.

Bingo!

The MLB is a joke these days. Guys sign for millions of dollars cause they can hit 20 HR’s in a short left field with hardly any foul ball territory anywhere, strike out 50% of the time not even putting the ball in play, and not Even be able to at least slap ball the other way... absolute disgrace IMHO. Pitchers are too freakin weak to go a complete game, guys are “specialists” and throw to one left handed batter every 8 or 9 games, relievers can’t hardly go more than 4 or 5 outs, the game as a whole has gotten so far away from true baseball, it used to be a thinking mans game with players well rounded in all aspects of the game... not even close to this the last 15 years or more.