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    #31
    One thing a lot of people forget is that a working ranch is 365 days a year. Ranch work never stops. Hunting season is a short few months. Sometimes ranch work and hunting overlap. That's the way it is and any rancher will tell you flat out that his ranching business comes first. Will he put cows and sheep into your pasture? You bet he will. Most ranchers like the get their animals fed for free. You gotta deal with it.

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      #32
      I am willing to bet that a sizable percentage of landowners let family hunt when the lease hunters are not around, no matter what the contract says. I was on a lease west of Cross Plains - 4 of us on about 750 acres. In the second year we started seeing subtle evidence that our stands were being hunted when we were not there. The evidence went from subtle to blatant when we found two fresh gut piles on the same day - someone had tried to hide them in the brush. We told the landowner and he blamed it on poachers. This was the early days of trail cams - the kind with film - so we put a few out. First time we checked them there were pics of the landowner's high school age nephews wearing camo, on 4 wheelers with rifles. We once again confronted the landowner and he bowed up and said his family could hunt his land whenever they wanted. About a month later I went out and someone had trashed our trailers - ripped the doors off, broke windows, etc and there were cans and bottles everywhere - looked like kids had a party. Of course the landowner denied his nephews would do such a thing - we loaded up everything and left the next weekend. .
      Last edited by jerp; 02-03-2016, 09:54 AM.

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        #33
        Originally posted by muzzlebrake View Post
        One thing a lot of people forget is that a working ranch is 365 days a year. Ranch work never stops. Hunting season is a short few months. Sometimes ranch work and hunting overlap. That's the way it is and any rancher will tell you flat out that his ranching business comes first. Will he put cows and sheep into your pasture? You bet he will. Most ranchers like the get their animals fed for free. You gotta deal with it.
        Fully agree but when you tell the rancher that you are leaving because of the 700 goats on the 700 acres and he owns 10K acres and says he will remove them then puts them back on after he receives your money that makes him a lying SOB.

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          #34
          Originally posted by jerp View Post
          I am willing to bet that a sizable percentage of landowners let family hunt when the lease hunters are not around, no matter what the contract says. I was on a lease west of Cross Plains - 4 of us on about 750 acres. In the second year we started seeing subtle evidence that our stands were being hunted when we were not there. The evidence went from subtle to blatant when we found two fresh gut piles on the same day - someone had tried to hide them in the brush. We told the landowner and he blamed it on poachers. This was the early days of trail cams - the kind with film - so we put a few out. First time we checked them there were pics of the landowner's high school age nephews wearing camo, on 4 wheelers with rifles. We once again confronted the landowner and he bowed up and said his family could hunt his land whenever they wanted. About a month later I went out and someone had trashed our trailers - ripped the doors off, broke windows, etc and there were cans and bottles everywhere - looked like kids had a party. Of course the landowner denied his nephews would do such a thing - we loaded up everything and left the next weekend. .
          Yep. On another lease I forgot about we leased 900 acres. The ranchers family had 400 acres where they were supposed to hunt. We found bullet holes in our pop up blind shoot through screens, bullet casings, 3 dead hogs laying and an aoudad laying dead within 30 yards of our stands. They did not even drag the animals off!

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            #35
            I hunt my grandma's land for mule deer up in the panhandle. She flat out refuses to get up at 4:00 a.m. to make me breakfast and coffee!! I think I'm gonna have to get off next year unless she changes her mind! Yeah, I have a shot at a big mulie for free, but a man has to put his foot down!!
            Last edited by Tx.Fisher; 02-03-2016, 10:12 AM.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Tx.Fisher View Post
              I hunt my grandma's land for mule deer up in the panhandle. She flat out refuses to get up at 4:00 a.m. to make me breakfast and coffee!! I think I'm gonna have to get off next year unless she changes her mind!

              Be strong and stick to your guns!

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                #37
                Originally posted by Backwoods101 View Post
                Lmao!!!
                That's what I did too when he said that, LMAO. I still bring that story up to him all the time. We had been riding around for about an hour and neither one of us saying anything and he comes up with that, he had this far off look in his eyes when he said it.

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                  #38
                  As much as we'd all like to think that all ranchers/farmers are good honest people, most seem to only Be concerned with money. Contracts do not mean crap to them, and they could care less about hunters once money has changed hands. Had a bad experience myself with a lease we had in Mason, still want to knock that landowners teeth out. He was about as sorry as they come......

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                    #39
                    "Contracts do not mean crap to them, and they could care less about hunters once money has changed hands."


                    Landowners know they can break their side of the contract and there is very little chance of legal consequence. When hunters get hosed they get really mad and may threaten to sue, but how often do they go through with it? It may be different with a big corporate lease but 99% of the time the hunters just decide to leave and cut their losses.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Roscoe View Post
                      I'm still trying to figure out why "3 (THREE) Hispanics" was a detail of significance. Would it have been ok if the weren't "Hispanics" or if there was only 1 or 2 of them? Lol
                      Originally posted by Bowhuntamistad View Post
                      Still not sure why their race matters....because other races aren't capable of these actions???
                      You both need to stop trying to start crap. The OP asked for each persons stories. This guys included three Hispanics. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with his own dang story. Seriously do yall just have to start crap with people of no reason at all...whats the point?

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Tx.Fisher View Post
                        I hunt my grandma's land for mule deer up in the panhandle. She flat out refuses to get up at 4:00 a.m. to make me breakfast and coffee!! I think I'm gonna have to get off next year unless she changes her mind! Yeah, I have a shot at a big mulie for free, but a man has to put his foot down!!
                        That's some BS!!!!! You should not have to deal with that kind treatment!!! If you do happen to get off that place......can you put me in contact?

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                          #42
                          3 women, 3 white guys, a black dude. It's a description who cares if he said Hispanics.

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                            #43
                            19 Mexicans went into a lease.. there was a white guy, a Chinese guy and a penguin already there.
                            The Mexicans said leave
                            The Chinese guy started raking
                            the White guy didn't understand Spanish
                            and the penguin said "**** its hot."

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                              #44
                              Our current landowners in Llano think that mid-November through the end of the year is the ideal time to have a guy on a bulldozer "clearing brush". If it wasn't such a great lease at a cheap price I'd tell him to go eat rocks. But we've killed a 153" and a 147" in the two years we've been in the place. So I'll keep my mouth shut.

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                                #45
                                We just want to find landowners who don't mind our obsessive pistachio and sunflower seed eating in addition to Extreme ironing. Everything seems fine for the first week, then out of nowhere we get kicked off and told to not come back.

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