target ammo for self defense

[kabob]

FMJ goes through the bad guy and then through the wall and kills your loved ones........ My 1911 is loaded with winchester Black Talon wish you could still get them awesome round

[Rather_B_Fishin]

I presented no theory.

You die from bleeding or a shot to the brain (which is no guarantee either).

The idea of energy transferring into the body and stopping someone is a theory and is bogus at the levels produced by defensive pistol rounds. Two 300 pound NFL football players that run into each other helmet to helmet probably transfer more than a ton per square inch of force and it is all absorbed. They don't drop dead.

True you die from bleeding but a bullet that expands tears up more tissue. As far as energy stand still and let that 300 lbs linebacker hit you and then tell me energy doesn't play a part. Why do you think most hunting rounds post energy and velocity about there bullets?

[BigFoot]

Yeah WTH? Really save what 25$ on a 20rd count of hollow points? Way to cut costs! The one chance I'm going to use my gun, I want the best ammo flying out to protect me.....

In your case.... Hornady Zombie Max lol

[Hunter75]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjrenK4N_qY&feature=youtube_gdata_player"].40 Hornady CRITICAL DUTY Ammo Review & Gel Test - YouTube[/ame]

[Lockpro]

I shoot a Combat Comander in .45 ACP. I use basic Winchester FMJs for practice and JHPs for defence. The price on a box of 50 is not a big deal.

Even though a .45 FMJ is already the size of a .357 expanded, the idea is to dump as much of the bullets energy in the target as possible. It is NOT like bow hunting where you want a hole on both sides so you can track him!

FMJs will kill someone, but it does no good if the crack head has already taken your gun and beat you to death with it.

Edit: Not all of us use a .45.

[Mike D]

I found Hornady critical duty in. 40 S&W, here is a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjrenK4N_qY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It penetrated 15+ inches of ballistic gel.

There's a huge performance difference between critical defense and critical duty. Critical duty is heavy for caliber and performs quite well.

[Mike D]

True you die from bleeding but a bullet that expands tears up more tissue. As far as energy stand still and let that 300 lbs linebacker hit you and then tell me energy doesn't play a part. Why do you think most hunting rounds post energy and velocity about there bullets?

You are not going to knock anyone down shooting them with a defensive pistol round, period. Now of you happen to hit CNS or major bone structure they may collapse buy you aren't going to knock anyone down with a bullet.

The reason rifle rounds tend to have more dramatic results is because of the higher velocity. But you still aren't knocking anything down.

[Rather_B_Fishin]

Never said you'd knock them down, but I have been told a story about a lady shooting her husband with his own 44 point blank and it knocked him back 3 foot back to the wall. Guess to each there own but I wouldn't trust my life with target ammo.

[TexMax]

Never said you'd knock them down, but I have been told a story about a lady shooting her husband with his own 44 point blank and it knocked him back 3 foot back to the wall. Guess to each there own but I wouldn't trust my life with target ammo.

Musta broke her wrist

[Lungbustr]

Dont be cheap on ammo used to defend you and your family. Im currently loaded with winchester pdx1. I believe it to be quality ammunition more than capable of doing the job.

[Phillip Fields]

Take a look at this chart. http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm

[bowhunter45]

thanks to all of you on the green screen. you made lots of very valid points. i went out and bought some pdx1 bonded jhp's, and some magtech 165gr schp. .. i wouldn't want anyone to be hurt by a stray bullet from my firear, good forbid I ever have to use my weapon for that . thanks guys

[bowhunter45]

FMJ goes through the bad guy and then through the wall and kills your loved ones........ My 1911 is loaded with winchester Black Talon wish you could still get them awesome round

explain that to the cops if you ever have to use your gun

[Chad]

I'm a firm believer that fragmentation kills!

Google the Strasbourg ballistics test done on Alpine Goats-Believed to have the same body and tissue structure as humans. The experiment was done with Glaser Safety Slugs measuring the incapacitation time shot broadside, through the chest. With all of the popular personal protection calibers, even as low as a .380. It was done very scientifically with the goats hooked up to multiple monitors, measuring the blood loss and drop in BP to establish themselves, "no longer a threat and unable to return fire."

Also, Google "Ballistic Pressure Wave". It will yield info regarding the Strasbourg tests, as well.

The results are sure to change your mind about carrying FMJ's...

[PSD Ryan]

Military 9mm NATO ball rounds are what gave the 9mm such a bad rap for so long. FMJ is not a defense round. It goes right through you, doing little (comparatively) damage. Even with a good hollow point defense round, survival rates from handgun cartridges are fairly high. Your carry weapon is your last line of defense to save your life. It's not worth saving a few dollars to skimp.

I use nickel plated cases for daily carry corrosion resistance vs brass and Speer Gold Dot hollowpoint bullets. I'd buy the normal gold dot rounds, but I can reload it to what works best with my carry gun instead.