Rules of Fair Chase for Pope and Young Clarification

[Thumper]

You can smoke (rationalize, infer, lie to yourself, justify, give good reason for, vindicate, excuse, explain, account for)........

I'm pretty sure i never told anyone to smoke it. Everyone knows your track record........

And Mesquitecounty no one told you to smoke it, you are grasping for straws.

[Ground Checkin' Heavies]

P&Y is not against big deer as long as it is fair chase. The fence is being used as a hunting tool to insure the hunter trophy animals confined to an area, thus not fair chase.

Your just not getting it, I understand you are against it, but you never answered my question as to what advantage a hunter has over a deer. Mesquite could High Fence his land in Fayette county, but he is not going to have Trophy Deer.

A high fence is not going to make a deer a trophy, if you would read and at least try and understand a different view point, you would realize that high fences are about maximizing deer potential and allowing deer to reach full maturity. A high fence does not ENSURE a hunter anything.

A high fence is not a hunting tool, but a Management tool. Animals especially deer confine themselves to their own areas. The fence prevents other hunters from taking the animal prematurely. That is all that it does.

Again, can anyone answer what advantage a hunter has over a deer on a high fence property?

[Ground Checkin' Heavies]

I don't have a problem with high fence hunting, per se. If you want to do it, go right ahead. Travis, I've seen your place (a small part of it, anyway), and the brush is as thick as any place I've been on in S. Texas. I have no doubt that you guys are hunting "fair chase."

Nevertheless, I would have a serious objection if my low fence buck was knocked down a spot or two in the P&Y and B&C record books by a deer that lived its entire life inside a high fence. I don't see how anyone could possibly argue that a high fence doesn't create a unique advantage that can't possibly be replicated on a low fence place.

Would you say that you and all the hunters who hunt Hagerman have a "unique" advantage hunting deer because your county does not allow gun hunters? Don't take offense, just a question.

Everyone keeps saying high fence has a "small advantage" or a "unique" advantage.....Well what is it? Then ask yourself, another question, what advantage does a hunter have over the deer?

[mesquitecountry]

You answered your own question and have the proof in your avatar. You can smoke it all you want but hi-fence is not fair chase.

And Mesquitecounty no one told you to smoke it, you are grasping for straws.

LOL. I'm glad you make such outrageous insinuations then crawfish so everyone can see them!







Great post weeaks.







Grayson I see your point as well.

[Grayson]

I don't hunt Hagerman.

[GARY]

[QUOTE=mesquitecountry;440758]Thanks to Gary i've been branded with another nickname! HI GARY!

Seems to fit, given a big ole boy like you (ditto with txag96) gotta have a 80% let off to even hunt!



I got no dog in this hunt, though if all places could be defined...I'd say yours should qualify......

[Thumper]

Your just not getting it, I understand you are against it, but you never answered my question as to what advantage a hunter has over a deer.

Again, can anyone answer what advantage a hunter has over a deer on a high fence property?

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Asked and answered. Its irrelevant if I'm against it or not P&Y has already made their decision.

Originally Posted by mesquitecountry
We hunt 95+ days per season and always have someone in the area........ a 2600 acre ranch......?

To much hunting pressure, if allowed deer will disperse if not hi-fenced. This is when your "management tool" becomes a hunting tool preventing the deer from escaping. In this example several people hunting 2600 hi-fenced acres for 95+ days removes a good bit of the element of chance, thus not fair chase.

[rocky]

Enter your deer into P&Y, I'm sure you can find a scorer that will sympathize with you on interpretation. Ultimately, your interpretation is the only one that matters. If you think that your harvest deserves the same recognition as other hunters, then don't worry what anybody else thinks, or how they interpret " FAIR CHASE "
BTW 80% Letoff is accepted now.

[Shane]

Mature deer go nocturnal inside a high fence just the same as they do anywhere else when hunting pressure goes up. Consistently getting trial cam pics at night inside a high fence doesn't mean the deer is as good as dead.

[Thumper]

[QUOTE=mesquitecountry;441061]LOL. I'm glad you make such outrageous insinuations then crawfish so everyone can see them!

You took it the wrong way, your mind is in the cutter!

[cantexduck]

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Asked and answered. Its irrelevant if I'm against it or not P&Y has already made their decision.

Originally Posted by mesquitecountry
We hunt 95+ days per season and always have someone in the area........ a 2600 acre ranch......?

To much hunting pressure, if allowed deer will disperse if not hi-fenced. This is when your "management tool" becomes a hunting tool preventing the deer from escaping. In this example several people hunting 2600 hi-fenced acres for 95+ days removes a good bit of the element of chance, thus not fair chase.

I am sure that number is a total for the family and friends. I am not one to talk but my god man- give it a rest. Let go of the jealous feeling.

[Ground Checkin' Heavies]

I don't hunt Hagerman.

You hunt in Grayson county don't you? Isn't that a "unique" advantage to take a Trophy when compared to other counties? You are excluding a group of hunters, gun hunters right? A high fence excludes other hunters as well, neighbors! It's all about maximizing potential and allowing deer to reach maturity.

[DamonJ]

Here is a real life example of why you would want to high fence.

A friend of mine who I wont name showed me a picture of a beautiful 4.5 year old 10 point. He often cruised the south fence line of his place. He and I had scored him numerous times on trail camera and kept coming up with 174. A beautiful tall and wide brute that had the potential to be a 190 gross 10 point and net about 185 with two more years.

Two weeks ago the buck ran across the fence to investigate a fight and was met with solid lead.

The buck was scored and measured by the lease foreman (that was a lease foreman for both ranches) to score 176 and change and a mere 4.5 years old. So in the spirit of the rule do you think the founders of the "club" intended a deer to reach it's full maturity or shot prematurely?

Why is that reason to high fence? The person that shot that buck may be as happy with him as you are your trophy.. I see that as a reason NOT to high fence.. You will without a doubt lose a big buck, but you will get one from time to time as well.

Isn't your way of thinking just a little GREEDY?

[Smart]

You hunt in Grayson county don't you? Isn't that a "unique" advantage to take a Trophy when compared to other counties? You are excluding a group of hunters, gun hunters right? A high fence excludes other hunters as well, neighbors! It's all about maximizing potential and allowing deer to reach maturity.

That's a good point....I've never thought about it that way but it does make some sense and the proof is in the output..

[JeffJ]

479.711 acres high fenced to keep the native deer out...yes I said OUT. We dont want the "states" deer...although a few of them managed to elude us during our two year rifle culling process. Ten point 1.5yo as noted in earlier threads shows up on trail camera for the first time. We had never seen him on either of our two cameras...ever. In 2007 I had over 2500 pictures(I know because I just purged them from the hard drive) and never once did I see him or anything resembling him.

Sat in the blind several times since the first picture a month ago near the only feeder he has been photo'ed at and never saw him. Our ranch has a very low deer density and I keep meticulous records of everything. I THOUGHT I knew every male deer on the ranch.