A year later, how do you feel about the Texas trout limits?

[DUKFVR]

No commercial limit on trout. That was directed badly, meaning too many guides and they are putting a tremendous pressure on a supposedly low number fishery. I read this posted on another concerning waterfowl guides and it really made me think. They did away with market hunting , because too many birds killed. Think of all the guides taking hunters and that total adds up hugely for kills. What is the difference? I am beginning to think not.

[bloodtrailer28]

No commercial limit on trout. That was directed badly, meaning too many guides and they are putting a tremendous pressure on a supposedly low number fishery. I read this posted on another concerning waterfowl guides and it really made me think. They did away with market hunting , because too many birds killed. Think of all the guides taking hunters and that total adds up hugely for kills. What is the difference? I am beginning to think not.

Gotcha! I agree with you on the way to many guides out on the water and.if they are gona keep on with the numbers of guides it would be nice to limit the amount of trips they can take per day.

[kevin nicholls]

We're our own worst enemy.

[slayr]

I hunt Mexico pinche ... hence the name. We don't have many rules. 50 ducks a day and 100 doves... did that hurt your feelings or are you going to be ok? I can probably find you a gordita Latina to give you crp if you need help!! Just ask! 😗🤣😁

Ha! You give yourself too much credit…a 50 year old guy trying to insult behind a computer just makes me laugh. Keep chunking em amigo, you might just make a good tarpon guide one day!

[Quackerbox]

We're our own worst enemy.

this is it

Covid sent new boat buyers thru the roof and even that was on either side of a freeze. Social media has everyone needing piles of meat on the table for pics. Fresh out of high school kids with lifted 250s and a go fast boat can guide or fish tournaments. They may not win but they will by gawd tell you theyre in the cup or some garbage. Not to mention "salt life" and "huk fishing" sticker guys who used to think salt water was bad cause of sharks, rays and oyster beds now think its cool. Even though most of them gonna burn shorelines blaring luke bryan half the day theyre still on the water

And like I said 6 or 8 pages ago, this thread proves the point that John Q croaker soaker and kayak kelly cant drum up the support needed to fight TPWD to actually hire people who know a trout from a pine cone.

[kyle1974]

Gotcha! I agree with you on the way to many guides out on the water and.if they are gona keep on with the numbers of guides it would be nice to limit the amount of trips they can take per day.

that's easy enough to say on paper... but which guides get to keep their business?

I don't buy into the "guide problem". all they're doing is offering licensed fishermen a chance to get on the water. guides can't keep any fish on paid trips.

[DUKFVR]

that's easy enough to say on paper... but which guides get to keep their business?

I don't buy into the "guide problem". all they're doing is offering licensed fishermen a chance to get on the water. guides can't keep any fish on paid trips.

At this point they all keep their license. Just make it like shrimp and oyster, someone gotta get out for 1 to get in and then make the license 5000. Plus dollars .Use that money for habitat restoration or buy out guides that want out and retire that license.

I can tell you from personal experience a lot of the guides catch and keep fish for the clients. Fishing is just like hunting. A lot of the clients can't fish or hit anything.

[Mitchell8]

If we think giving the government more money and control is the answer. Yes regulations are necessary. Yes enforcement is necessary. Yes restoration is necessary. Giving even more money to a government that’s restocking 100s of thousands of redfish and cutting trout limits then making it more expensive for me to take my family out isn’t going to ensure an abundant fishery for our children. I want my kids and others to love fishing not have to pay higher premiums for a day on the water. Our children are the future and currently we are seeing less children interested in fishing. Saying all that I don’t know the answer. I just want the youth more interested and involved in fishing.

[Mitchell8]

Just looking at current pricing to take my 4 kids on a guided 4 hour bay trip in Galveston is $1,000 plus dollars. That’s insane.

[bloodtrailer28]

that's easy enough to say on paper... but which guides get to keep their business?

I don't buy into the "guide problem". all they're doing is offering licensed fishermen a chance to get on the water. guides can't keep any fish on paid trips.

I don't want anyone to lose their livelihood and their way to provide for their family. There's really no easy answer to the problem we may have in the future but I don't agree with guides being able to take multiple trips per day and one boat taking that many trout out of the bay system. It's not near as big of an issue with the current limits as it was in the past. I knew guides who ran 3 trips a day and one boat taking 120 fish out. Hell I was guilty of taking 2 trips out a day when I guided when I was younger down there it adds up but it's not near the problem with our current numbers.

[kyle1974]

I don't want anyone to lose their livelihood and their way to provide for their family. There's really no easy answer to the problem we may have in the future but I don't agree with guides being able to take multiple trips per day and one boat taking that many trout out of the bay system. It's not near as big of an issue with the current limits as it was in the past. I knew guides who ran 3 trips a day and one boat taking 120 fish out. Hell I was guilty of taking 2 trips out a day when I guided when I was younger down there it adds up but it's not near the problem with our current numbers.

I don't know where that is, and not really trying to start an argument... but I have been around the coast for a minute, and guided for several years during oilfield crashes. I've never seen anyone do 3 trips a day. if that happens, it's rare at best.

most of the time, the guys that are doing 2 trips a day around corpus is when the drum are lined up close to the ramps.
I think the entire guide thing is pretty misdirected at an easy target.

at the end of the day, I personally don't think we have an issue with trout populations, and aside from the huge kills we had with the freezes, we shouldn't have changed anything.

there was never any data to suggest trout populations were in trouble.

[bloodtrailer28]

I don't know where that is, and not really trying to start an argument... but I have been around the coast for a minute, and guided for several years during oilfield crashes. I've never seen anyone do 3 trips a day. if that happens, it's rare at best.

most of the time, the guys that are doing 2 trips a day around corpus is when the drum are lined up close to the ramps.
I think the entire guide thing is pretty misdirected at an easy target.

at the end of the day, I personally don't think we have an issue with trout populations, and aside from the huge kills we had with the freezes, we shouldn't have changed anything.

there was never any data to suggest trout populations were in trouble.

Upper laguna pretty much same area you fish. I don't think we had a big issue with the trout population before the freeze we did notice a difference from 10-15 years ago when I guided down there size wise but numbers were still pretty good. Noticed a huge difference after the freeze like most in the area but last year was one of the best years we've had in a long long time size and numbers wise

They have and do although not many of them do three trips a day but ive seen it more than once. I know a ton that do 2 trips a day and it wasn't for drum. It was pretty dang easy years ago to have a trip in the morning go carch your 40 trout then have one lined up for 2 in the afternoon and go knock out another limit. Like I said it's not that big of a deal with the trout limits we have in place now. It was more directed towards the question of how we thought it would affect the fishery if they went back to a 10 fish limit.

[Quackerbox]

I don't know where that is, and not really trying to start an argument... but I have been around the coast for a minute, and guided for several years during oilfield crashes. I've never seen anyone do 3 trips a day. if that happens, it's rare at best.

most of the time, the guys that are doing 2 trips a day around corpus is when the drum are lined up close to the ramps.
I think the entire guide thing is pretty misdirected at an easy target.

at the end of the day, I personally don't think we have an issue with trout populations, and aside from the huge kills we had with the freezes, we shouldn't have changed anything.

there was never any data to suggest trout populations were in trouble.

Run and gun runs 2 croaker soaker trips all the time and I know of 2 or 3 guys who do the same in POC. I'll agree that the customer has a license. I won't agree that same customer who fishes 4 or 5 times a year is capable of catching his limit when he goes if it was up to him alone. The saltwater thread is proof. Hell, I'm proof

The guides who have been around any length of time will tell you "new" guides pop up and come and go all the time. You said you did it yourself when oil crashed. I knowa guy did it for almost 2 years while dealing with a sales non compete.

I'm not saying there is a population issue but when 6 or 8 guys spend a weekend or a day and catch 200 trout and struggle to string 10 keepers, what is THE issue.

On another note, there is a lot of hate for CCA but they and the state did something right for the reds and I think the flounder are doing better than 5 or 6 years ago as well

[kyle1974]

Run and gun runs 2 croaker soaker trips all the time and I know of 2 or 3 guys who do the same in POC. I'll agree that the customer has a license. I won't agree that same customer who fishes 4 or 5 times a year is capable of catching his limit when he goes if it was up to him alone. The saltwater thread is proof. Hell, I'm proof

The guides who have been around any length of time will tell you "new" guides pop up and come and go all the time. You said you did it yourself when oil crashed. I knowa guy did it for almost 2 years while dealing with a sales non compete.

I'm not saying there is a population issue but when 6 or 8 guys spend a weekend or a day and catch 200 trout and struggle to string 10 keepers, what is THE issue.

On another note, there is a lot of hate for CCA but they and the state did something right for the reds and I think the flounder are doing better than 5 or 6 years ago as well

I never said I was any good though.

in all seriousness, I don't think it's an issue. I think it's just something that's easy to direct when you've had a bad day fishing.

[bowhntrmatt]

Wait... You guys are catching limits?