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    A year later, how do you feel about the Texas trout limits?

    Personally, I hate them, but I care more about eating trout than growing trophies. Especially up here on the northern coast where the influx of freshwater from the rivers isn't particularly conducive to growing giant trout. I still don't fully grasp how the CCA and just a handful of other folks were able to somehow turn the most common, most easily accessible, and most popular saltwater fishery in Texas waters into a trophy fishery with essentially zero input from the public.

    When the limits dropped to 5 several years ago I didn't love it, but due to many years of floods and fresh water inundation Sabine had fallen off quite a bit. It wasn't all that easy to get a 10-fish limit anymore anyway, and dropping the limit felt like a reasonable, and even necessary step to help the fishery. But the last 3 years Sabine has fished better than is has in over a decade. Make no mistake, this was almost entirely the result of an improvement in salinity, and had little to do with any conservation effort. If a change had to be made last March, Sabine could've easily handled raising the limit back to 10 fish. The fact that it takes me 3 fishing trips in Texas waters to keep enough trout to feed my family one meal is mind-blowing, especially when I'm catching more trout per trip over the last three years than I've caught in a decade. I have a couple of great bank spots that are easy to fish in Texas, or else the limits wouldn't even be an issue. you better believe than anytime we launch a boat we're driving that extra mile over the bridge into Lousiana and keeping their limits. I'd love to see the lake come to some sort of balance... say add Texas' 3 fish limit to Lousiana's 15 fish limit and split the difference and make the limit 9 all over the lake. You could do the same with the length limit and average it at 14. But that's a pipe dream, considering our limits on the northern coasts were somehow decided by a bunch of south texas guides.

    Having said all that, I'm pretty certain that in the next five years I'll catch my personal best trout, and then probably break it a few more times afterwards. And that WILL be cool. The fish will get somewhat bigger in the lake, even with the lousiana limits being taken on the other side of the lake. But it's not worth it (to me personally, but also about 95% of the anglers I talk to up here) for what it'll cost to get to that point. If the lower coast wants to stick to a 3-trout limit and make a trophy fishery, that's all good! Trophy fishing is a bigger deal down there, and the environment is a lot better for growing bigguns. But even still, the average fisherman should get a say in it.

    Anyway, if you disagree with every word I said, that's fine. Tell me your opinion. I want to hear from both sides. I know it's possible that there's a different mindset from one part of the coast to the other, and also possible that neither mindset is wrong. If that's the case then great, but it's still dumb to have such different areas managed by the same rules and limits.
    Last edited by bullets13; 04-01-2025, 01:28 PM.

    #2
    I hate it & tpwd for sticking it on us.

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      #3
      I agree with you, we fish Baffin and port Mansfield, and most folks don’t like the trout problem
      one problem is TP&W imo has pushed the redfish program to hard , dumping millions of apex predators into the bay’s seems to have reduced the trout population ( last time we fished under the lights, big bull reds moved in and where feeding on the trout, it was a mess trying to keep a trout with out losing our fish or getting spooled)
      i personally miss the strong trout fishery

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        #4
        I don't know if one answer fits all. I believe it's a regional thing as you said. I catch as many as I ever have and I've been doing it for most of my 65 years. I know that in the scoping meetings TP&W said it was 83% in favor of lowering the limits. Was it that popular or does a vocal minority drive the train? I know when I retire I'll be at those scoping meetings and public meetings whenever I can. I think we got played on the reduction rule, I think we're going to a trophy based fishery in the near future. We already did with deer hunting.

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          #5
          Still dumb

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            #6
            It needs to be five fish limit and leave it alone.

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              #7
              Originally posted by kevin nicholls View Post
              I don't know if one answer fits all. I believe it's a regional thing as you said. I catch as many as I ever have and I've been doing it for most of my 65 years. I know that in the scoping meetings TP&W said it was 83% in favor of lowering the limits. Was it that popular or does a vocal minority drive the train? I know when I retire I'll be at those scoping meetings and public meetings whenever I can. I think we got played on the reduction rule, I think we're going to a trophy based fishery in the near future. We already did with deer hunting.
              I'd sure like to know where they got their numbers. Amongst the hundreds of anglers up here that I've talked to about it, 8.3% would be a little high.

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                #8
                Originally posted by bullets13 View Post
                Personally, I hate them, but I care more about eating trout than growing trophies. Especially up here on the northern coast where the influx of freshwater from the rivers isn't particularly conducive to growing giant trout. I still don't fully grasp how the CCA and just a handful of other folks were able to somehow turn the most common, most easily accessible, and most popular saltwater fishery in Texas waters into a trophy fishery with essentially zero input from the public.

                When the limits dropped to 5 several years ago I didn't love it, but due to many years of floods and fresh water inundation Sabine had fallen off quite a bit. It wasn't all that easy to get a 10-fish limit anymore anyway, and dropping the limit felt like a reasonable, and even necessary step to help the fishery. But the last 3 years Sabine has fished better than is has in over a decade. Make no mistake, this was almost entirely the result of an improvement in salinity, and had little to do with any conservation effort. If a change had to be made last March, Sabine could've easily handled raising the limit back to 10 fish. The fact that it takes me 3 fishing trips in Texas waters to keep enough trout to feed my family one meal is mind-blowing, especially when I'm catching more trout per trip over the last three years than I've caught in a decade. I have a couple of great bank spots that are easy to fish in Texas, or else the limits wouldn't even be an issue. you better believe than anytime we launch a boat we're driving that extra mile over the bridge into Lousiana and keeping their limits. I'd love to see the lake come to some sort of balance... say add Texas' 3 fish limit to Lousiana's 15 fish limit and split the difference and make the limit 9 all over the lake. You could do the same with the length limit and average it at 14. But that's a pipe dream, considering our limits on the northern coasts were somehow decided by a bunch of south texas guides.

                Having said all that, I'm pretty certain that in the next five years I'll catch my personal best trout, and then probably break it a few more times afterwards. And that WILL be cool. The fish will get somewhat bigger in the lake, even with the lousiana limits being taken on the other side of the lake. But it's not worth it (to me personally, but also about 95% of the anglers I talk to up here) for what it'll cost to get to that point. If the lower coast wants to stick to a 3-trout limit and make a trophy fishery, that's all good! Trophy fishing is a bigger deal down there, and the environment is a lot better for growing bigguns. But even still, the average fisherman should get a say in it.

                Anyway, if you disagree with every word I said, that's fine. Tell me your opinion. I want to hear from both sides. I know it's possible that there's a different mindset from one part of the coast to the other, and also possible that neither mindset is wrong. If that's the case then great, but it's still dumb to have such different areas managed by the same rules and limits.
                Bullets, I COMPLETELY agree with your opinion regarding limits. I would add that a "slot" it stupid for the upper coast too. Might make sense for lower Coastal Bend on south, (but I'd still not like it). The trout fishery is very much like the deer habitat and population. Makes zero sense to have antler restrictions in South Texas. Fortunately they didn't do a one size fits all, mainly because the serious big land owners in South Texas would have no part of that and would all out revolt and they have the money to do it... On the other hand, antler restrictions in East Texas makes good sense. Even there, I'd like to see it tweaked to add some kind of age criterion for taking obviously post-mature bucks with narrower than 13 inches.

                The trout fishery should be done the same way. The upper coast seems to have fewer predatory fish/dolphins than the southern coast does and we have a much more vast estuary system that would promote a larger population through breeding and natural food sources. The upper coast could sustain a higher (at least double) what the fishery along the south Texas coast could handle.

                Makes no difference. The everyday or weekend recreational fisherman has absolutely no say in what happens. Unless we organize into a bigger voice, we'll be relegated to just sit back and take the crumbs the Jackwagon Commission gives us... The CCA has done to trout fishing what BASS did to ditch pickle fishing... I mean, just look at the Salt Water Fishing thread where everyone who talks about how many fish they caught, or even if they caught a few, most have to mention in their post the virtue signal that "all fish were released to be caught again"... Yea they were released to be caught again, but likely will be by a dolphin or shark, NOT another angler!!

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                  #9
                  I have never caught one at Sam Rayburn.

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                    #10
                    I see both sides of the problem and feel give and take should come from all sides.

                    I don’t like the three-trout limit because it takes multiple trips to catch enough for a family dinner. I understand the need for temporary restrictions after freezes to protect the fishery, but these regulations shouldn’t be permanent and unchangeable.

                    I’ve been fishing the Texas coast for over 50 years and have seen a significant increase in the number of anglers on the water. Advancements in boats and equipment now allow people to reach areas that were once inaccessible. The fishery is a limited resource, and with more anglers than ever, the pressure on fish populations has grown dramatically. Coastal fishing guides have increased from around 100 in the first half of my fishing years to over 800 today. Since they spend 250–300 days a year on the water, they’re highly skilled at putting clients on a limit—something the average angler might struggle to do alone. Additionally, the use of croakers as bait has made catching trout much easier, and some guides run multiple trips a day during the summer, further increasing fishing pressure.

                    The fishery is a public resource, and most private rod-and-reel anglers won’t deplete it since they can only fish when they have time off and the weather allows.

                    This may be an unpopular opinion, but I believe fishing guides, who make a living off a public resource, should pay a much higher fee than the current guide license cost. I also think croakers should be designated as a game fish, making them illegal as bait. I remember when croaker runs were plentiful, and they were great eating, but ever since they started being used as bait, those runs have disappeared.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by bullets13 View Post

                      I'd sure like to know where they got their numbers. Amongst the hundreds of anglers up here that I've talked to about it, 8.3% would be a little high.
                      Probably from the same pool of folks who say red snapper are endangered.

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                        #12
                        I dang sure am not going to the coast and drop hundreds of dollars for a few fish. Besides it doesn’t matter. 3 fish or 10 fish a day does not change the harvest significantly. Those that can fish everyday can still keep 100 trout easily in a year. For me to get 10 it will cost me 1K since I am so far away. Thanks for NOTHING TP&W!

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                          #13
                          The 83% in favor is from TP&W. I wasn't there, but in the future I will be.

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                            #14
                            I hate it, more trout get eaten by dolphins every day, you can thank the trophy trout gurus and tp&w for this.

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                              #15
                              Turning into bass fishing

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