Can we have a hog dog discussion with facts and not emotion?

[TX_Hoghunter]

i've run into some courteous hog hunters but unfortunately i've run into more that aren't. don't understand the arrogance and entitlement of some of the younger ones. probably never received a proper butt whooping in their life is what i suspect.
in east texas i think it should be illegal to run hogs during oct.1 to dec 30.
would cut down on a lot of problems.
also with all the technology available its not that hard to find a landowners number. if he won't give permission to let you go get your dogs go back later to pick them up.

You are not wrong. We only have one place we hunt during deer season and it is not in east Texas. It is a strange setup but there is no deer hunting anywhere close to the place and still we only hunt it once or twice during that time. Usually starting after 10 and trying to leave no later than 3.

[hogmess]

I use to have a pile of dogs and ran hog dogs every chance I got. The sole reason I got out was because every young kid in the area wanted to have dogs. I have no problem with a kid hunting but a big part of these kids didn’t care whose place they went on. We have a young guy down the road with 10-15 dogs in small pens and he runs dogs every night. I caught one of his dogs on our place a few weeks ago. He has a bad habit of driving the county roads and dumping dogs then asking for permission to run and retrieve them. I was in the bow stand and his dog had a pig bayed on us for over an hour. I caught the dog but the collar was already dead. I penned the dog at the house and he called me two days later looking for it. None of the other neighbors got a phone call. He dropped that dog from the county rd that borders us. It puts a bad taste in landowners mouths real fast. I always ran a shock collar with my tracking collars. Once we got close to a fence we toned them back. The stubborn dogs got a little zap. Dogs don’t know boundaries but they figure out real quick when that shock collar tones they better stop. Bad apples ruin it for everyone else. These cellular traps we build for catching exotics can put a hurting on hogs.

[TX_Hoghunter]

So much to reply to. I numbers some bolded lines.
1. Numbers do not compare. People that do mass shootings versus gun owners are like 100,000 to 1 Hog doggers that "do it wrong" in some way are more like 4 to 1. Sure you can argue more are good and some say more are bad but you get the point.
2. This has ZERO to do with the discussion IMO. Doesn't matter because hunting is about how one feels while in the woods. If they know dogs chased pigs recently and then see nothing they will blame the hog dogs. Nothing will ever change that. Try convincing someone who sees zero deer that the poachers or trespassers LEO removed from their property were not the cause of seeing no deer.
3. Sure we'd be better off without them but that will never happen. We do have them. Just like people finally accepted we have carp in our waters. Damage they cause is irrelevant also.
4. So you understand that people are stupid. But you want other people to take what appears to be one of the worst groups of hunters (yes some are good) and just trust them?
5. "We, we, we" Doesn't matter what you do, it matters what hog doggers in general do.
6. Apples to oranges. I want hunting legally and the buck crossed a fence line. Not even sure how that relates to letting dogs chase game across fence lines.
7. No hate here. I do see some hate from posters already. But you asked for what they have experienced.

8. Absolutely not. I simply do not want dogs on my property chasing game. For many reasons. Your seemingly simple questions can all be flipped back onto you. Would you be ok with trespassers doing zero damage crossing your property? What if they sign a liability release? LOL See how dumb that sounds?

Landowners (most) worked their entire lives to own property. They can run their land how they want even if it means doing bad things to the land.

The solution? Get all dog doggers in line.. will never happen. Only hunt really large properties? It's NOT, in any way, the landowners responsibility to keep hog dogs off their property. This entire debate is 100% on the dog dogging group to get their sport in check. They need to fix things, not other people.

Thanks for your response. I will address number 8. Yes I have had people on my places before. Sometimes looking for a lost cow, sometimes a lost dog, one time a lost grandson. I guess I am old school. I took them at their word and helped them look when I could. If that makes me look dumb in your eyes then so be it. On all of the others there is some truth to what you posted. I could sit here and argue the other side but not sure that would serve any real purpose. I did enjoy your response though.

-john

[TX_Hoghunter]

Over the years we’ve had to take a adverse reaction to any kind of trespassing from hog dog guys, canoe riders, duck hunting, fishing, trespassers just don’t seem to respect our property, leaving us trash to pick up, damaging the levees & fences & gates,
not to mention the numerous feral cats and stray dogs the neighbors have.
permission and courtesy would go a long way with me

I can see and agree with that 100%.

-john

Hope I have responded to everyone but we all know the forum is still a little iffy at times. If I missed you I am sorry about that.

[CEO]

Either I need more coffee or didn't eat enough for breakfast. I read the title as "Can we have a hot dog discussion with facts and not emotion?" and for a split second was thinking there are people out there that really care a lot about eating hot dogs.


As for the real subject, I've lived in SETX my whole 42 years of life and have had 1 run in with dogs while in the woods and that was several years ago on a small lease I had.

I read the thread title three times the same way before I clicked on it.

I've only known a few guys that ran hogs with dogs. They all firmly believed they could hunt any property as long as their dogs led them there.

[M16]

Using thermal is lots more effective than using dogs. We went from a good population of hogs to almost none after thermal became popular. Hog dogging was partially responsible for spreading hogs to areas where they had never been.

[TX_Hoghunter]

I use to have a pile of dogs and ran hog dogs every chance I got. The sole reason I got out was because every young kid in the area wanted to have dogs. I have no problem with a kid hunting but a big part of these kids didn’t care whose place they went on. We have a young guy down the road with 10-15 dogs in small pens and he runs dogs every night. I caught one of his dogs on our place a few weeks ago. He has a bad habit of driving the county roads and dumping dogs then asking for permission to run and retrieve them. I was in the bow stand and his dog had a pig bayed on us for over an hour. I caught the dog but the collar was already dead. I penned the dog at the house and he called me two days later looking for it. None of the other neighbors got a phone call. He dropped that dog from the county rd that borders us. It puts a bad taste in landowners mouths real fast. I always ran a shock collar with my tracking collars. Once we got close to a fence we toned them back. The stubborn dogs got a little zap. Dogs don’t know boundaries but they figure out real quick when that shock collar tones they better stop. Bad apples ruin it for everyone else. These cellular traps we build for catching exotics can put a hurting on hogs.

I hope they do not ruin it around here for us but it might happen. I wish we had more WMA opened up to us so we had some bigger places to run.

-john

[TX_Hoghunter]

Using thermal is lots more effective than using dogs. We went from a good population of hogs to almost none after thermal became popular. Hog dogging was partially responsible for spreading hogs to areas where they had never been.

I would say maybe or maybe not. Hogs are going to get everywhere unless they get killed so not 100% on dogs being a major factor to their spread. I have never thermal hunted so it may be more effective I do not know. Next question the less then supportive hunting world would say rifles are better/less cruel than the use of a bow so do we want to always hang our hats on that?

[Drycreek3189]

I’m not trying to be an ***, but exactly why did you start this thread ? You already run dogs and you say you have no problems, but you admit to tresspassing. Are you looking for someone’s blessing ? Again, not being an ***, but I don’t think you’re gonna find what you seek on this forum.

For the record RiverRat1 said mostly how I feel, except I will add that if I could snap my fingers and have every feral hog gone, I would wear the skin off of them. I despise the bastages ! I think anything except other deer pressures them in ways we will never know, even though smart people have been studying them for years. Deer even pressure each other, how many of you have seen a bully buck run another buck out of your hunting territory ? I’m raising my hand, because I’ve seen it several times. For this reason, and others, I don’t want dogs on my small acreage (80 acres), nor do I want them on my leases, also relatively small. I do not paint all hog doggers with the same brush but I have experienced the arrogant and entitled personalities of some in discussions with them. I also know a couple that are like you seem to be, and I have no problem with what they do, until they tresspass on me. It’s my place, and I get to say what goes on there. As an aside, I don’t want the neighbors dogs on me either, as they are there for one thing, to run deer. I have never caught a tresspasser on my property, but I know it would not go well if I did. I think lots, (if not most), folks feel that way.

A simple solution is, don’t hunt small properties, and don’t tresspass without permission. You probably won’t like that solution, but there it is. I want you to know that I appreciate your thoughtful post without the attitude that some hog doggers exhibit.

[BRUTE 23]

I have been running dogs for hogs for over 20 years. Not all are bad but a large percentage are. I have a very little patience with most of them because of the excuses below. Most hog hunters refuse to put a good handle on their dogs. They let them run wild as long as they catch hogs.

Dogs that run deer are trashing. Deer, skunks, javalinas, cows, etc all trash. If you can't break that dog from that trash with out it losing its "hunt" the dog didn't have it from the start. When I started out I'd you dog trashed the old guys would pull out a pistol and shoot it on the spot. You were SOL if you couldn't guarantee your dog not to trash.

You don't have to go get your dog or kill the hog on your neighbors.

It doesnt take a pile of people, atvs, sxs, beer and all the bs to catch a hog.

Call the neighbors and let them know you are hunting the property next door. Hiding from them does not make it ok.

With modern trackers and equipment there is no excuse for this stuff. Your dogs are not special... the hogs in your area are not special... quit making excuses for not being able to control your dogs and catch hogs.

... and yes it will help your deer hunting to push the hogs out before season, if it's done right.

There is said it... LoL Cue the cry babies now

[TX_Hoghunter]

I’m not trying to be an ***, but exactly why did you start this thread ? You already run dogs and you say you have no problems, but you admit to tresspassing. Are you looking for someone’s blessing ? Again, not being an ***, but I don’t think you’re gonna find what you seek on this forum.

For the record RiverRat1 said mostly how I feel, except I will add that if I could snap my fingers and have every feral hog gone, I would wear the skin off of them. I despise the bastages ! I think anything except other deer pressures them in ways we will never know, even though smart people have been studying them for years. Deer even pressure each other, how many of you have seen a bully buck run another buck out of your hunting territory ? I’m raising my hand, because I’ve seen it several times. For this reason, and others, I don’t want dogs on my small acreage (80 acres), nor do I want them on my leases, also relatively small. I do not paint all hog doggers with the same brush but I have experienced the arrogant and entitled personalities of some in discussions with them. I also know a couple that are like you seem to be, and I have no problem with what they do, until they tresspass on me. It’s my place, and I get to say what goes on there. As an aside, I don’t want the neighbors dogs on me either, as they are there for one thing, to run deer. I have never caught a tresspasser on my property, but I know it would not go well if I did. I think lots, (if not most), folks feel that way.

A simple solution is, don’t hunt small properties, and don’t tresspass without permission. You probably won’t like that solution, but there it is. I want you to know that I appreciate your thoughtful post without the attitude that some hog doggers exhibit.

Started the thread to start a discussion on something that I am passionate about. To be honest I am thrilled with how it has gone. I was worried about way more hate then has been posted. The campfire is for discussion that is all I am doing here. Thanks for your response. I appreciate it and you never know what you can learn. I am 57. Hope I never get too old or closed minded to maybe learn something new. Thats all

[unclefish]

Hog dogging is a sport that is practically guaranteed to have dogs trespass on another property. Not a fan of something so inherently flawed from the outset.

[Throwin Darts]

The answer is pretty simple. I don't care how anyone hunts hogs on their property. I don't care about anyone's opinions on whether having hogs on my place or not is to my benefit or not. Do whatever you want, I just don't want you to do it on my place or be on my place at all for that matter, for any reason.

[stinkbelly]

The last set of hog doggers we caught on our lease said they asked the rancher if they could run dogs. At least they asked someone, but the rancher has nothing to do with the hunting lease. He ranches for the owner. I have thought about putting signs on all our feeder because when we catch them they seem to start at our feeders with lots of people and several dogs. I want to make sure they know they don't have permission.

I really hate it when they say they wait until deer season is over before they start. On our lease that is usually when we get serious about or hogs because we aren't afraid to bump the deer at that point.

If you ever find a feeder with the motor tilted to the side with all the corn gone, you have hog doggers. They will dump your feeders to hunt hogs off of it.

[DUKFVR]

Yep saw the thread after posting this. Big enough is whatever it takes to keep them off people's property that don't want them there. Me & my Wife worked our azzez off to get our little slice of heaven. We do all we can for the wildlife. I have hogs ,lots of hogs & they don't bother me. I shoot them when I feel like it & let them walk when I don't. I don't want dogs ,cats etc from other people on my place chasing anything. I have no issue with you running hogs ,as long as you stay off my place. I will press charges in a heartbeat on any trespassers. I used to go with my uncle when him & his buddies ran coon hounds. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Looked for ward to it all the time. When they all quit I was sad & asked why. My uncle said things are changing, property is being sold and more people don't want dogs running on their place so we had to quit.