Can we have a hog dog discussion with facts and not emotion?

[PondPopper]

This is the problem. You just admitted you have trespassed on people's property. Hog doggers hunt small properties when they know there is a good chance of their dogs winding up on property where they don't have permission. You aren't doing me a favor by removing hogs on my property. I like to hunt them. It's very simple. Enjoy your sport but stay the **** off my property. If you can't do that then don't release the hounds.

I wouldn't mind a trespass by dog law. Not just hog dogs but any dog. It is the owners responsibility to contain their animals. If you can't contain your dog on your property don't release the hound.

This thread should have come to an end after this post.
Not much left for debate...

[BRUTE 23]

A few years ago, my wife and I went to the lease to hunt on opening bow season. She got in her tree stand in the pitch black. As it started getting light enough to see, there was a big hog trap set up not 20 yards from her feeder. I made a thread on here about it. The landowner gave the guy permission to trap. He set the trap up knowing that we bow hunted. Two ladder stands on each side of feeder. He stated that he is a deer hunter also. The problem I have is the lack of consideration from this type of activity. I would never consider this knowing that someone else is hunting the property, landowners permission or not. But that is just me.

As far as hog dogs goes, it's the same thing. How can someone think it is okay to do this with the chance that a dog is going to trespass.

It's very disappointing when people do that but that's why you have to discuss it with the land owner and get it in the lease that no one hunts or traps during season.

[7sdad]

A few years ago, my wife and I went to the lease to hunt on opening bow season. She got in her tree stand in the pitch black. As it started getting light enough to see, there was a big hog trap set up not 20 yards from her feeder. I made a thread on here about it. The landowner gave the guy permission to trap. He set the trap up knowing that we bow hunted. Two ladder stands on each side of feeder. He stated that he is a deer hunter also. The problem I have is the lack of consideration from this type of activity. I would never consider this knowing that someone else is hunting the property, landowners permission or not. But that is just me.

As far as hog dogs goes, it's the same thing. How can someone think it is okay to do this with the chance that a dog is going to trespass.

We gave a guy permission to trap hogs from Jan. - July but I went down to fill feeders in Sept. and he had moved a trap 30 yards from my bow stand and I started getting pictures of guys walking around and dogs all over the place so now he doesn't get to trap any longer.

[Dale Moser]

It depends on the situation. For the folks saying just wait on the dogs. Do you realize with my dogs that might be 12 to 24 hours? We are not talking 30 minutes. Second most of the time around here the locals do not mind if I go get my dogs. We have a few city people that have moved in and own 5 to 10 acres. They are the ones that would have an issue. I always try to go to their house to ask but if they are not there I just go get the dogs to put an end to the situation. I have no problem going back later to explain what happened. Like I said in some other responses we have access to a 1,000 acre place that the dogs never seen to get off of. We have also turn loose in the middle of a 25,000 acre place that they ran a hog off of. There are so many variables that come into play. There is no 100% right answer. I really think intend matters here. There are some places that ranchers around here are begging me to hunt but because of the likelihood of getting off of their place I will not go. I would guess 95+% of the time the dogs are where they are supposed to be. If they get off the place I will do my best to end the situation correctly. Also we seldom, seldom hunt during seer season. I am a deer hunter as well and do not want to mess up anyone's hunt.

There is a 100% right answer...keep your **** dogs where they belong. If you can't, then you're the problem. I ran bird dogs all over Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas for many years, control your dogs or hit the road.

[dope hunter]

LOL....Well after lots of really good responses and discussion it seems that we are taking a turn. That is fine. Here is my last response. Thanks to everyone that took the time to discuss this in a civil and hopefully productive way. To the others that seem to be throwing rocks...well I do not care for hypocrites......Here is my point. I try to keep everything legal. We do not hunt places that we do not have permission to be on. Have the dogs start on large places where we had permission and got off of it? Yes a few times. Have i tried to contact the owners to get permission? yes. Has there been times that contact could not be made and I did retrieve my dogs? yes. Has this ever caused any issues with said land owners? no. Technically did I break a law? yes. Has any land owner ever wanted to go that route? no. Have I notified the land owners once I got good contact info? yes. Now for the part on the hypocrites.....Now look in the mirror real close.....you ever drank a little to much but drove home anyway? Most probably have. Do you speed when driving somewhere? Pretty sure all of US have. The difference is when you bent the law it was fine as long as it did not hurt anyone. All I am saying is maybe, just maybe being a little less judgemental. Maybe walking a mile in the other persons shoes would be the thing to do. Now I will bow out and y/all are free to light me up but please, please look in the mirror first. Hope everyone has a great day and good luck this season.

-john

The main point I would like to make is the speeding/dwi isn't a really good analogy because those crimes don't have victims. The same analogy would be if you knew you had too much to drink, got behind the wheel anyways, knowing in advance that you were going to crash into someone's fence, and still chose to do so, then they would be the same. You know when you turn your dogs loose there is a chance they are going to get after one of those boars that just run, and your dogs might get onto property you/them dont have permission to be on, and you might have to trespass to get your dogs. I think that is everyone's main concern. I've been hog dogging one time before, and can see how you could be so passionate with the sport, as it was a blast.

[PondPopper]

Packs of stray dogs of any kind, that are running around on any property that I hunt, automatically take on a predator status. I view them no different than I would a coyote or wolf. A canine predator.

[7sdad]

As a kid my dad and grandfather ran Walker hounds at night, bunch of old men set around a camp fire and just listen to the dogs run yotes all night. The dogs would always come back to where we turned them out at so we would go back and pick them up the next morning. Never even thought about going onto someone's property, that was/is a big no no.

[JhuntsAlot]

Sorry OP, but it doesn't seem like many people are on board nowadays with the thought of "free reign" to any property if you run dogs.

That might have been what some thought a while ago when properties were really large and because of that, the number of neighbors were small and impact on them was small. With a lot of those large properties being sold into smaller ones now (100-200 acres or smaller) its just not the same. May as well try running dogs in a neighborhood with 5 acre lots. Not sure that would go over well either.

Also, as others have implied, just because someone runs dogs it does not mean they are doing every property a favor and should be able to go where they want. That arrogance does not fly in todays world.

And remember, even John Dutton despises trespassers, and he has 100's of thousands of acres. lol

Just my outlook on this topic and means nothing.



J

[rladner]

Well, if you want a real life apples to apples example I have one for you. My kids pet dog got out of the yard. Ran down the street and into the neighbors back yard. I could see her but since she was in their backyard I didn't dare go get her. Instead I knocked on the door and asked them if I could go retrieve her. They said yes of course, but I wasn't going on their property without their permission. If they weren't home I was prepared to wait her out.

[Shane]

Owning a dog that crossed a fence doesn't give anyone the right to trespass. Period. If you own the land or have permission to hunt hogs with dogs on a place, that's totally fine. But don't trespass, even if your dogs do. If you can't keep your dogs on the right side of the fence, then maybe that's not a place you should turn them out.

[wytex]

Sounds like a lack of respect to me. Respect others land and don't go on it unless you have permission. That goes for your dogs too.
Why is entitlement so rampant these days?

[7sdad]

Section 822.013 of the Texas Health and Safety Code allows a livestock owner to shoot a dog or coyote that is attacking, is about to attack, or has recently attacked their livestock, provided that the owner witnessed the attack.

I swear they were attacking my cattle.

[Dale Moser]

Sounds like a lack of respect to me. Respect others land and don't go on it unless you have permission. That goes for your dogs too.
Why is entitlement so rampant these days?

Buy 95% of the time they don't.....

I wonder what would happen if I only hunted where I had permission, 95% of the time...

[HogHunter34]

To me hog doggin is an old school way of getting rid of hogs. Granted some folks like the up close and personal encounter but with today's technology with thermal scopes and AR's can be much more effective way to eliminate hogs without the whole potential of trespassing, running deer, cattle, or having to go knock on doors to retrieve dogs. Too much hassle to me

[Wudstix]

I thought it was only legal to hunt hogs on some ones land with their permission, prior to entering the land.