Who on here had an AR/AK style gun before 2004?

[12RingKing]

Better than 00Buck in a shotgun? Def not more accurate in a home inside tight quarters. Most everyday home owners aren't tac instructors and are prob buying the cheapest ammo possible like FMJ and not many home walls gonna stop a FMJ at close range.

Many instructors that I watch prefer the .223 cartridge over both pistol and shotgun due to the energy that they have present after penetrating obstructions such as Sheetrock.

I’ve heard this for so long, that I believe it true but have not done a ton of research in opposition of that point.

I wouldn’t want a shotgun in a home defense scenario, personally. I fear the idea of hitting a family member in the process. I’d prefer a rifle or pistol cartridge, and for that, I prefer .223.

Plus, it allows you to get distance shots if needed.

[KactusKiller]

Yes, and if we didn't have pickups we would drive cars.

Agreed and we may have to have that discussion on electric vs gas some day when our grandkids start debating what it was like to own a gas car before the gas ban of 2024

[KactusKiller]

Many instructors that I watch prefer the .223 cartridge over both pistol and shotgun due to the energy that they have present after penetrating obstructions such as Sheetrock.

I’ve heard this for so long, that I believe it true but have not done a ton of research in opposition of that point.

I wouldn’t want a shotgun in a home defense scenario, personally. I fear the idea of hitting a family member in the process. I’d prefer a rifle or pistol cartridge, and for that, I prefer .223.

Plus, it allows you to get distance shots if needed.

My thought is in a pressure situation in tight quarters give me something with a bigger target coverage than a single small caliber bullet. You may only get one shot and I want to make it count.

[12RingKing]

I don't think anyone here is arguing the constitutional right at all, my conversation is merely based on practical use not legal use.

Lets discuss practicality for majority of American gun owners not constitutional 2A rights.

What you consider practical is based on your current need. It would be VERY practical to everyone if we were fighting an active war. Which is what exactly why you have the right.

I’m assuming you’re playing devils advocate against it from a practical stance, because that’s what most anti-gun arguments are.

The practical stance is preparation.

[12RingKing]

My thought is in a pressure situation in tight quarters give me something with a bigger target coverage than a single small caliber bullet. You may only get one shot and I want to make it count.

That’s where we differ, and maybe it’s based on confidence in that scenario, but I would prefer precision over swath.

[KactusKiller]

Purchased my first one in the late 80’s. Have bought a few more since then. Have one in 458 Socom that is my hog gun. Agree with Bucksmasher, don’t need the Govt telling me what mag I can use. Just because some demented individuals do stupid crap, don’t limit what I can own. Treat the cause and apply mandatory death sentences to all convicted mass shooters.

Again not really discussing what a government needs to tell you or not tell you. Just asking, if the AR was not available would you still be able to hunt and protect your family?

I prefer eating prime ribeyes and lobster but I don't need them to live everyday and if I only had Choice Sirloin and Potatoes I would prob still live life the same, but just have a little more money in my pocket.

[kyle1974]

my brother in law had some AK47 variant that I shot a deer with in 1988.

I kind of trailed off after the question posed of "what do you really need".

[KactusKiller]

That’s where we differ, and maybe it’s based on confidence in that scenario, but I would prefer precision over swath.

Remeber, with prices on ammo like they are most americans can't afford to or don't have the time to hit the range couple times a month. I like precision on a 300yrd shot on a mule deer, in a life or death situation with a split second to make a lethal shot on a single or multiple intruders give me the largest killzone possible. I just don't think precision with a long gun is a key element when talking inside of 10-20 feet which you would be in most houses.

But again no right or wrong just preference and if you didn't have an AR would you still be able to protect your house?

[KactusKiller]

my brother in law had some AK47 variant that I shot a deer with in 1988.

I kind of trailed off after the question posed of "what do you really need".

For most of us "need" is a blurry line, I want alot of stuff, need is determined on how much I actually want said item. I can support that need in many ways.

[gatorgar]

I've had them since I could buy them. I may not use a 30rd mag often, but have emptied out a 20rd more than once.
Easy to maintain, pretty reliable and effective from 10ft to 500+yrd.
Have a pistol caliber AR next to the bed and a Shotgun by the door. 75% of my kills this last 10 years have been with an AR.

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[KactusKiller]

What you consider practical is based on your current need. It would be VERY practical to everyone if we were fighting an active war. Which is what exactly why you have the right.

I’m assuming you’re playing devils advocate against it from a practical stance, because that’s what most anti-gun arguments are.

The practical stance is preparation.

Absolutely, I said I was playing devils advocate at the beginning. I'm just trying to determine why the AR is the hot topic pro and con because honestly I think most people would carry on their days with or without it. I think it is more fun than true function. It's a great firearm, but I think 98% of hunting or self defense could be done just as well with other firearms.

[KactusKiller]

I've had them since I could buy them. I may not use a 30rd mag often, but have emptied out a 20rd more than once.
Easy to maintain, pretty reliable and effective from 10ft to 500+yrd.
Have a pistol caliber AR next to the bed and a Shotgun by the door. 75% of my kills this last 10 years have been with an AR.

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Did you kill anything the 10 yrs prior to that? Were the AR kills better than the 25% that died by something else or was it just your prefered weapon because you like to hunt with it instead of a bolt action rifle?

[Artos]

You use your pistol to fight your way to your shotgun...you then use your shotgun to fight your way to your long gun.

My first long gun purchase was a Colt HBAR AR in the early 90's...think I was around 20. Wish I still had it.

IMO an AR/AK type weapon w/ enough ammo to feed it is an essential tool to have in your possession...especially these days.

[KactusKiller]

Another note, the AR platform is one of the most versatile weapons you can own. A simple upper changeout can yield you a multitude of different calibers you can utilize for different situations. They are easy in operation and dependable.

Ask the Ukrainians if they need “assault” weapons now. I bet their ideas have drastically changed over the past 4 months.

Remember, the argument against AR/AK platform and high capacity magazines is completely unconstitutional. No where does it mention anything about hunting. Your right to a weapon is to arm yourself against a treasonous government, which we are seeing more and more each day.

I also agree on the Ukranian statement but when has anyone ever landed troops on our soil for ground fighting? Ukranians and most of Europe have that real threat constantly. Completely agree we have and should always have that right.

[Walker]

Just what are you trying to get us to say????