For those not sure about teachers with CHL

[Daniel75]

You guys need to wake up and think for a minute. All this spend a trillion $$ to try and save a kid is dumb. 1st where would you get the money? Last I checked America is broke. 2nd. Spending like that is just as bad as what happened after 911. Trying to make an non perfect world perfect. Keep spending and watch nothing change.

Do you really think these crazy people would stop and think hmmm.. hey have a security guard I better stay home today? Heck no..if they cared enough to even think that far they would simply attack the bus stop, attack during recess, or a ball game etc.

Now stocking to the OP. Teachers with CHL, well I'd rather not but it's fine with me as long as the CHL holder is 100% responsible no matter what, and not the school or my tax money.

Just wow. Just go back to catfishing and stick your head in the sand. I hope your kids don't ever need the help, God forbid. SMH

[tvc184]

You guys need to wake up and think for a minute. All this spend a trillion $$ to try and save a kid is dumb. 1st where would you get the money? Last I checked America is broke. 2nd. Spending like that is just as bad as what happened after 911. Trying to make an non perfect world perfect. Keep spending and watch nothing change.

Do you really think these crazy people would stop and think hmmm.. hey have a security guard I better stay home today? Heck no..if they cared enough to even think that far they would simply attack the bus stop, attack during recess, or a ball game etc.

Now stocking to the OP. Teachers with CHL, well I'd rather not but it's fine with me as long as the CHL holder is 100% responsible no matter what, and not the school or my tax money.

I'll agree with that premise.

The idea of "no cost is too much" for a single life is ridiculous.

If cost is no object, for the same money let's retrofit all vehicles with alcohol sensors that won't let you start a car or drive if the operator is intoxicated. That will save many thousands of lives a year including hundreds of children. While we are at it, then we can put governors or computer chips on all vehicles to restrict speeds to 80mph. How many lives will that save.... including children.

Let's do away with all privately owned vehicles and go to all public transportation. That will save thousands of lives and actually a lot of money that we "waste" on vehicles, insurance, fuel and maintenance costs, etc.

Let's ban all swimming pools. That will save a lot more children's lives every year than any gun ban.

We could go on but at what point does it stop? The single life excuse is an irrational plea for sympathy.

[Daniel75]

I'll agree with that premise.

The idea of "no cost is too much" for a single life is ridiculous.

If cost is no object, for the same money let's retrofit all vehicles with alcohol sensors that won't let you start a car or drive if the operator is intoxicated. That will save many thousands of lives a year including hundreds of children. While we are at it, then we can put governors or computer chips on all vehicles to restrict speeds to 80mph. How many lives will that save.... including children.

Let's do away with all privately owned vehicles and go to all public transportation. That will save thousands of lives and actually a lot of money that we "waste" on vehicles, insurance, fuel and maintenance costs, etc.

Let's ban all swimming pools. That will save a lot more children's lives every year than any gun ban.

We could go on but at what point does it stop? The single life excuse is an irrational plea for sympathy.

Where did the trillion dollar figure come from?

[tvc184]

Where did the trillion dollar figure come from?

Read his post that you quoted.

I am sure that it is a rhetorical statement but the sentiment is still there.

[lt87]

I guess you missed the part when I mentioned that I am currently a teacher. So "they" are "me".

-You said I should have training to keep your child safe. Agreed. Training is needed. Lots and lots and lots of training. A CHL class does not train you enough in hostage protection, conflict resolution, active shooter drills, reloading drills, speed, adaptation, cover, etc...I am a teacher trained to intervene in things like choking, seizures, blood loss. Not a bodyguard. Maybe that's what you're looking for.

-I think you also missed the word "increase" in my liability point. I think it's comical that you believe a school does not protect children. Carrying a weapon doesn't mean that children are all of the sudden bullet proof.

I think you are a person that believes the only solution to school violence will be to flood schools with more guns via the teachers. I'm in a classroom every day. I want kids to be safe. If that means teachers need to carry that's fine with me. But carrying teachers will never answer all of your "what if scenarios". Get a feel for the situation from more places than the tv or newspaper.

[Axe Man]

For what it is worth. We had a lockdown intruder drill today. After, my class was dumbfounded that all we can do is sit there in the dark and hope for the best. One of the girls said, "coach, if they let teachers have guns will you promise me you will have one?"

It is a helpless feeling just sitting there hoping luck is on your side!

[tvc184]

For what it is worth. We had a lockdown intruder drill today. After, my class was dumbfounded that all we can do is sit there in the dark and hope for the best. One of the girls said, "coach, if they let teachers have guns will you promise me you will have one?"

It is a helpless feeling just sitting there hoping luck is on your side!

Yep, hide and pray and in many schools, behind unlocked doors.

[systemnt]

I guess you missed the part when I mentioned that I am currently a teacher. So "they" are "me".

-You said I should have training to keep your child safe. Agreed. Training is needed. Lots and lots and lots of training. A CHL class does not train you enough in hostage protection, conflict resolution, active shooter drills, reloading drills, speed, adaptation, cover, etc...I am a teacher trained to intervene in things like choking, seizures, blood loss. Not a bodyguard. Maybe that's what you're looking for.

-I think you also missed the word "increase" in my liability point. I think it's comical that you believe a school does not protect children. Carrying a weapon doesn't mean that children are all of the sudden bullet proof.

I think you are a person that believes the only solution to school violence will be to flood schools with more guns via the teachers. I'm in a classroom every day. I want kids to be safe. If that means teachers need to carry that's fine with me. But carrying teachers will never answer all of your "what if scenarios". Get a feel for the situation from more places than the tv or newspaper.

Simple questions..
Do the reasons you felt the need to obtain a concealed handgun license not apply when you enter the school you teach at?
If not.. why?

[lt87]

Simple questions..
Do the reasons you felt the need to obtain a concealed handgun license not apply when you enter the school you teach at?
If not.. why?

Not all of them. I obtained my CHL to primarily protect my myself and my family. If I can escape danger I would much rather run than pull my gun and go looking to stop someone. I carry for defensive purposes, not offensive.

[tvc184]

Not all of them. I obtained my CHL to primarily protect my myself and my family. If I can escape danger I would much rather run than pull my gun and go looking to stop someone. I carry for defensive purposes, not offensive.

And if you look back at my post #53, I brought that up in the first paragraph. Teachers don't need to be trained to be SWAT officers, just defend their kids if the guy gets into a room that is preferably locked in the first place.

[lt87]

And if you look back at my post #53, I brought that up in the first paragraph. Teachers don't need to be trained to be SWAT officers, just defend their kids if the guy gets into a room that is preferably locked in the first place.

Sorry, didn't see your post. I was just responding to his question. 100% agree.Teacher defending against a shooter in the room, to me, is a completely different scenario than a teacher leaving his/her room to defend against a shooter roaming the building. Locked doors are a great thing.

[tvc184]

Sorry, didn't see your post. I was just responding to his question. 100% agree.Teacher defending against a shooter in the room, to me, is a completely different scenario than a teacher leaving his/her room to defend against a shooter roaming the building. Locked doors are a great thing.

I was agreeing with you.

In my opinion a gun in a teacher's hands in a school is for defensive purpose, not to assault the school and start blasting bullets everywhere.

[Tommyh]

I say give teacher armor and MOPP1 then let em fly.


This isnt rocket science. I dont think people have asked to make teachers swat officers or spec ops. Weve mainly stated protection and cover procedures. Your emotional responses against are ridiculous. Please act accordingly.

[systemnt]

Not all of them. I obtained my CHL to primarily protect my myself and my family. If I can escape danger I would much rather run than pull my gun and go looking to stop someone. I carry for defensive purposes, not offensive.

Why would carrying in a school mean youre taking an offensive position?

[BoneDigger]

Why would carrying in a school mean youre taking an offensive position?

So I assume then that if a teacher heard screams from the next room over and gunshots they would not go next door to help, they would stay in their room? Makes sense, but I wanted to clarify.

Todd