For those not sure about teachers with CHL

[BoneDigger]

The purpose of my response was to give my thinking on the matter and where I stand at this time on it. If I read a post here that gives me something to think about, such as Shane's (thank you Shane for a well reasoned argument), then I may consider changing my opinion on the matter. I love discussion and can change my mind if facts prove me incorrect.

I am not disrespecting women and their ability to carry a gun and use it. My opinion was based on the number of women that I personally know as friends, coworkers, and family and their preferred method of carry, which is generally in a purse.

Todd

[Tommyh]

honestly, a combination of teachers and guard is our best scenario. unarmed teachers can help remove students, armed teachers can look over their shoulders while the group escapes, and the mall cop or two (I am seriously hoping we can get more ISD police instead of armed guards) can confront the shooter.

[CletusBodeen]

There is already a school that has allowed chl holding teachers, administrators, janitors and maintenance workers to carry for 3 or 4 years now. I've yet to hear of any shootings at that school or anything bad come from them being allowed to carry.

I say if your an employee of a school district and can legally carry then you should have that option available to you.

[tvc184]

The purpose of my response was to give my thinking on the matter and where I stand at this time on it. If I read a post here that gives me something to think about, such as Shane's (thank you Shane for a well reasoned argument), then I may consider changing my opinion on the matter. I love discussion and can change my mind if facts prove me incorrect.

I am not disrespecting women and their ability to carry a gun and use it. My opinion was based on the number of women that I personally know as friends, coworkers, and family and their preferred method of carry, which is generally in a purse.

Todd

I like discussions also and enjoyed reading yours.

[RiverRat1]

How about do nothing?

For those with a quick reply that I'm crazy.. YOU list all other activities kids do every single day with WAY higher odds of getting killed.

I'm against teachers having guns in schools. Will school shootings go up or down if more guns are brought into schools? Just takes one gun being left unattended, or one mad at the world student to hit a teacher and take a gun, or 2-3 students to take a gun. Or a stupid teacher showing off a gun. And don't say there are none that stupid. How many do you hear saying they are "in love" with their 13-15 year old student?

[VorTexan]

First I'm going against Todd's list. For several reasons.

1. We like to disagree

2. He leans a little to the left sometimes

3. I believe folks should have the right to protect themselves.

4. Again, it's Todd's list and M2 and Humper are backing him up.




All kidding aside,

Who knows what would have happened had ONE teacher had a gun at Sandy Hook. I keep going over the nurse and another teacher that hid under her desk as the shooter walked in and she could see his legs from the knee down. He left the room and began shooting elsewhere as she and other lady hid themselves for several hours. How horrific and helpless that had to feel then much less how does it feel to live everyday since then thinking of "what if ?"

I agree with many of Todd's points although I think he needs to lay off the "women" side of it as many women can do much better than men handling guns and rules (a CHL instructor told me this).

The whole idea here for me is the bad guy NOT knowing who may or may not be carrying a gun.

Finally Todd, it would be my wish that CHL cert. not be nearly enough for a teacher to carry. It would be a totally different scenario than John Q. Public's cert. Here we are asking someone to possibly protect a group of innocent children not one's own person if they were carrying on school property. Some good points were made and much more training in tactical defense etc. would be in order and not many would fit this bill IMHO but for those that did, I would want them at my children's school.

[VorTexan]

How about do nothing?

For those with a quick reply that I'm crazy.. YOU list all other activities kids do every single day with WAY higher odds of getting killed.

I'm against teachers having guns in schools. Will school shootings go up or down if more guns are brought into schools? Just takes one gun being left unattended, or one mad at the world student to hit a teacher and take a gun, or 2-3 students to take a gun. Or a stupid teacher showing off a gun. And don't say there are none that stupid. How many do you hear saying they are "in love" with their 13-15 year old student?

Probably the best answer our President should consider. We take this approach with illegals?

[ColinR]

Should they be forced to carry....No definatly not!

Should they be allowed to carry if they choose to with proper training.......Yes.

And no one would know who is carrying just like any CHL holder. Crazy shooter would not know if they are walking in to a school where everyone is carrying or no one is carrying. And Students would not know either.

[Shane]

The purpose of my response was to give my thinking on the matter and where I stand at this time on it. If I read a post here that gives me something to think about, such as Shane's (thank you Shane for a well reasoned argument), then I may consider changing my opinion on the matter. I love discussion and can change my mind if facts prove me incorrect.

I am not disrespecting women and their ability to carry a gun and use it. My opinion was based on the number of women that I personally know as friends, coworkers, and family and their preferred method of carry, which is generally in a purse.

Todd

I thought your post was well presented, as your posts always are, Todd. I have some different thoughts on some of the points, and I agree with some. Discussion is good, brother.

[okrattler]

I had teachers and coaches that have a CHL but of course never carried in school because they couldn't.They're not any less qualified to carry a gun than some cops are.And if teachers were allowed to carry a firearm if they chose to doesn't mean that every teacher would go out and buy one anyway.In fact I'd be willing to bet that most teachers that don't already have a CHL wouldn't even bother with it.All that would mean is that the ones that already normally carry a firearm outside of school but have to leave it at home when they go to work wouldn't have to do that anymore.

[RiverRat1]

This is no different than a "What would you do if you won the lottery" threads. Well a little different as the odds of someone you know being in a school shooting are far less than them winning the lotto.

[BoneDigger]

By saying armed security guard I am not talking about a rent-a-cop ( no offense to truely qualified security guards), I am talking about trained law enforcement officers. I mean those people with detailed training to know how to react in a similar situation.

Although I think a CHL is okay for SELF defense, the lack of training associated with it means that we are not trained to go into combat against an assailant. The concept behind CHL is "get your butt OUT of a bad situation." Not, "Go get INTO a bad situation." I understand some of the points made here, truly I do. I just would like to see someone with true combat skills placed in our schools, not someone that you can't necessarily depend on in a firefight. I think our LEOs and military personnel on this site could attest to the fact that when the bullets start flying, people have a tendency to truly understand their mortality. Luckily there are many brave people in our country. But, being TRAINED to meet these threats is, in my opinion, a must if you are going to head INTO danger.

Todd

[okrattler]

This is no different than a "What would you do if you won the lottery" threads. Well a little different as the odds of someone you know being in a school shooting are far less than them winning the lotto.

Maybe so but I'd rather increase odds of someone shooting back just in case.Because as of right now the odds of a victim in a school shooting being able to defend theirself against a maniac aren't very good.

[Rather_B_Fishin]

Ok I might get torched for this but why is it ok for a CHL holder to carry in the mall where your kids go shopping or hang out with friends, but it's not ok for the people who see your kids more then you actually do during school time not allowed to protect themselves along with your kids? I mean people who carry, carry everywhere they are allowed to for what? Protection! So what's the diff if it's school or the grocery store? Just my .02

[jaghunter58]

I am a teacher/coach and these are my thoughts: I have two young boys and would do anything to protect them. I have taken this approach with the students I teach and coach. I would protect them at all costs. If it were possible I would carry at school. This is why I feel this way: like others have said the bad guys would not know who had a gun and who didn't. This would put a doubt in their minds and may make schools safer. I know some nuts would try but it would only take one time to make that fear a reality and I think it would keep our schools safer. I have talked to some of our staff and most would not carry but some would. Again you would never know who has a gun and who doesn't. I know opinions will differ but I am with those kids everyday and like I said I want to protect them like my own kids. I hope this makes sense. I have enjoyed this discussion. Carry on.