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    Originally posted by Dave View Post
    I was talking to my Elk guide about the larger longer range calibers and his experience on real animals is that it's hard to get bullets to perform at closer ranges. Unless you are able to shoot at 400+ they just zip through with little expansion. He had a client with a 338 Lapua shoot an Elk at 200 yards, 7 times to put it down. Obviously that includes some bad shot placement but it still brings up the point of being too close for proper bullet performance.
    I agree. Many long range shooters shoot the matchkings for long distance performance and a better BC. They are not hunting bullets. Regardless of the shot distance it would be like shooting the animal with a field point. There are hunting bullets like the 300 grain .338 accubonds with a BC of .72 which can be used for long distance and hunting.

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        Originally posted by chewy View Post
        my 300 wm custom build i finshed last year.
        Thats a nice build.

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          Originally posted by casilva43 View Post
          I agree. Many long range shooters shoot the matchkings for long distance performance and a better BC. They are not hunting bullets. Regardless of the shot distance it would be like shooting the animal with a field point. There are hunting bullets like the 300 grain .338 accubonds with a BC of .72 which can be used for long distance and hunting.
          I've seen deer walk with accubonds with kill shots. 200 grain out a .300 RUM. Not a fan. I'm going to run Berger this season and see how they do. Accubonds are good for target shooting.

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            Originally posted by JP8 View Post
            I've seen deer walk with accubonds with kill shots. 200 grain out a .300 RUM. Not a fan. I'm going to run Berger this season and see how they do. Accubonds are good for target shooting.
            LOL
            define "kill shots"

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              Originally posted by Solocam84 View Post
              Thats a nice build.
              Thanks Solo!

              I've seen deer walk with accubonds with kill shots. 200 grain out a .300 RUM. Not a fan. I'm going to run Berger this season and see how they do. Accubonds are good for target shooting.[/QUOTE]

              Accubonds you have to hit a lot of bone to get them to work right in my experience with them. Ive had really good luck with bergers so far.

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                Originally posted by JP8 View Post
                I've seen deer walk with accubonds with kill shots. 200 grain out a .300 RUM. Not a fan. I'm going to run Berger this season and see how they do. Accubonds are good for target shooting.
                Then I'm gonna say you don't know where to shoot them lol. Accubonds are some of the best hunting bullets out there. Your nuts if you think a Berger is better for hunting. A Berger is much less forgiving on a marginal shot than an accubond. They are fixing to release the long range accubond with a higher bc. Do yourself a favor and read up on the vld vs accubond Before you waste time and money and hopefully not a deer.

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                  forget what i said about accubonds not sure what i was thinking had them confused with barnes tsx for reason. still asleep this am.

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                    Originally posted by trophy8 View Post
                    Then I'm gonna say you don't know where to shoot them lol. Accubonds are some of the best hunting bullets out there. Your nuts if you think a Berger is better for hunting. A Berger is much less forgiving on a marginal shot than an accubond. They are fixing to release the long range accubond with a higher bc. Do yourself a favor and read up on the vld vs accubond Before you waste time and money and hopefully not a deer.
                    Figured you would chime in. Lol. We have heard about your shooting skills in many rants. Long story short I have pics of kill shots and had deer walk 50+ yards. I have never had them walk shooting siricciro (spl) before. We all have our own different experiences with products no need to tell me how or what I know when it comes to shooting. I shoot 8 plus deer every season and document each shot. I have a couple threads up here showing kill shots where the bullet didn't pass through. If you are getting your facts from reading do yourself a favor and field test it. Not on a 90 lb tx doe either. I'm shooting 175+ deer.

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                      Ive never used berger BTW. Hence the reason I'm going to try them. At deer not paper or go by what I read on LRH.

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                        I shot the accubonds from a 257 weatherby this year. Mule deer in my avatar went down like a sack of Potataoes, plus other wt, pigs, and yotes... I was impressed.

                        Ive also been impressed by the sierra gamekings, and nosler bt's... I've still got plenty to try but i don't think twice about hunting with any of the bullets listed above.

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                          Originally posted by Coach W View Post
                          I shot the accubonds from a 257 weatherby this year. Mule deer in my avatar went down like a sack of Potataoes, plus other wt, pigs, and yotes... I was impressed.

                          Ive also been impressed by the sierra gamekings, and nosler bt's... I've still got plenty to try but i don't think twice about hunting with any of the bullets listed above.
                          I'm looking for a good load for my .257 mag.

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                            Originally posted by JP8 View Post
                            Figured you would chime in. Lol. We have heard about your shooting skills in many rants. Long story short I have pics of kill shots and had deer walk 50+ yards. I have never had them walk shooting siricciro (spl) before. We all have our own different experiences with products no need to tell me how or what I know when it comes to shooting. I shoot 8 plus deer every season and document each shot. I have a couple threads up here showing kill shots where the bullet didn't pass through. If you are getting your facts from reading do yourself a favor and field test it. Not on a 90 lb tx doe either. I'm shooting 175+ deer.
                            Lol!! Every comment I've mad can be backed up by in field experiences. And not on those tiny 175 lb whitetails. 3-400lb mule deer.

                            The Bergers are good bullets. Just not as forgiving as an accubond. I'm not saying I'm an expert shooter. And we've all heard how great that 300 rum is in your posts too lol.

                            Here's what I'm seeing when you made your comment. Your shooting a huge caliber, at a relatively small deer (yes 175lbs is small). Combine those two, and don't hit any bone, your gonna have a heavy bullet zip right through a deer. I'm not arguing. I'm hoping you don't give up on the accubond. The reason I switched is proof from several close friends trying to convince me to try them. They tested them from Texas, to Colorado, to Africa. If I planned on shooting just steel and paper, the Berger would be my choice hands down. Shoot what ya wanna shoot. But remember a KILL shot is still a kill shot regardless of what bullet it is. If you take out the heart with a pellet, the deer will still die.

                            Good luck with whatever bullet you choose.

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                              Originally posted by JP8 View Post
                              Ive never used berger BTW. Hence the reason I'm going to try them. At deer not paper or go by what I read on LRH.
                              Only thing I do there is look at the classified. Those guys prefer the Bergers anyway the last time I looked. There's alot of bullets that will work. Too many factors to see what's "best". But the accubond is hard to beat.

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                                Originally posted by JP8 View Post
                                I'm looking for a good load for my .257 mag.
                                Definitely look into the accubonds with the 257 mag. They do as they are supposed to... looks like a grenade goes off in the chest cavity... They are not made to exit, just to go in and explode. They do this VERY well. Theres no need to track an animal that fell DRT because hes missing his heart, lungs, ribs, front shoulder and anything else in the way.


                                So I havent seen any blood trails yet to know what they look like. I touch the trigger and an animal falls in its own shadow.

                                That Mule Deer I placed dead center on his shoulder and there was a 6-7 inch hole in the entrance shoulder... everything behind that was gone, and the other shoulder was fine, no exit.

                                A White Tail I shot this season I placed behind his front shoulder quartering away, same story. Massive hole in the entrance, there was an exit by some of the debri... but no heart or lungs left... just a bloody mess in a rib cage.

                                Pigs I shoot in the neck and they exited, but no need to trail as they where DRT...

                                Coyotes I didnt clean, but they fell DRT too.

                                Like I said, give it a shot. I like it alot out of the 257 at the fast velocities. And it patterns real well out of my vanguard.

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