KJO Has anyone else had this Experince

[pig_sticker82]

I totally agree with you a 100%. Swindled was a little tackful and I agree I should not have used that word.

I believe the word you were looking for is "tactless"

[muley4x4]

Come on?

I believe the word you were looking for is "tactless"

Tactful SPELLED IT WRONG
adj.
Possessing or exhibiting tact; considerate and discreet: a tactful person; a tactful remark.

[StevenW]

Tactful SPELLED IT WRONG
adj.
Possessing or exhibiting tact; considerate and discreet: a tactful person; a tactful remark.

No, he was right.

[Hafernick]

I was at KJO with 4 friends just prior to Muley's trip. His account of their hunt sounds very familiar. I can speak for everybody in our group because we discussed it at length after we left. We were all incredibly disappointed with our experience and will not return and would not recommend KJO to anybody. We hunted from Thursday evening to Sunday morning and if you were hunting for whitetails, goats or a donkey you were in business! I was ready to leave Saturday morning. The exotics and hogs were not coming to the feeders and it wasn't until after we had made 4 hunts that Keith decided we may need to do something else. Something else turned out to be giving us a folding chair and telling us to sit in the brush while he walked the fenceline on the off chance that one might run past us. Muley, I'm sorry you had the same experience but I'm not surprised. It was very apparent when we left that nothing was coming to the feeders, so for him to have you sit on the feeders wasn't a good plan. I'm also not surprised about the bashing that is going on. We all talked about posting something on TBH about our experience but decided not to because we knew we would get roasted for our comments and that is exactly what has happend to you. We all went away believing the animal count for the ranch was low. Yes it was wet and yes it was green but 5 hunters hunting as much as we did should see more on a 400 acre place that is under a high fence. We are all very experienced bow hunters with our own leases and all of us have been to day leases in the past, so we do have some idea on bowhunting and yes I do realize it's hunting! I was not going to post, but I couldn't stand to let a few people take the heat alone when we had the exact same experience. This forum is suppose to be about passing on information and experiences on day leases we all visit. We are not all going to have the same opinion but I'm glad you had the courage to post yours as we didn't until you did! This is not a bash on Keith as a person, he was a very nice guy, it is only a report on our experience at the ranch and our humble opinion.

Did you or anyone with your group call Keith and tell him you were not satisfied?

[Bowhuntamistad]

Can I post my comment now?

[WyoHunter]

After reading all the posts I'm going to report on my hunt with Keith in mid Jan. '10. First off let me say that I hunt two different types of exotic/hog ranches. One is paying a flat fee like Keith's and one is a daily fee with trophy fee when you kill. I've been hunting exotics and hogs every year for the last 18 years usually in Jan. When I hunt a ranch that has a trophy fee I expect to get a shot opportunity at what I'm after but sometimes even then you don't get a shot. When I hunt a ranch like Keith's I hope to get a shot but a lot of times I don't.
When I hunted with Keith this past Jan. he was up front with me and said animal movement was slow. I had booked a two day exotic hunt mainly looking for an Axis. I saw animals every time on stand but didn't see an Axis buck. I had an opportunity at a Sika buck, sheep, goats and young aoudads. I chose not to shoot since I wasn't interested in any of them. I could've shot any of the above "to get my moneys worth" but that's not why I was there.
Keith made every effort to put an Axis in front of me but it didn't work out.
THAT'S HUNTING!
Keith is a great guy and I plan on hunting with him again in the future.

[jimmyjohn]

Let me tell you guys a little about the ranch. These are facts coming from one of his former guides.... (and this is nothing against KJ, these are the fact for most of the small febced places)
The "ranch" is not 450 acres like they say, its 250 acres, google earth it!
Its a high game fence pen where animals are turned out for you to kill.
The buffalo are as tame as cows, some of the goats came from the san angelo sale barn. I know this because they were bought from me!
I know that many of you guys are true hunters, but lets face the reality that you get what you pay for. If you go to keith johns place and pay $200 for a hunt, you get a $200 hunt. You are gonna get to shoot a semi wild animal in a trapped atmosphere. There is nothing wrong with that if you understand that before you book the hunt.

You guys also have to understand that there is no possible way that 250 acres can support that many breeding animals. These animals are 100% brought in. If you think that you are hunting a true breeding population on any high game fence place smaller than 2000 acres you are fooling yourself. Go to harper texas raz livestock and watch all the smaller ranches buy this stuff up. They come in every month and buy more blackbuck males, or adax males... why is it that they never buy females? They are being shot very quickly after their release.

The bottom line is I dont fault KJ, he is a business owner. He brings in animals for bowhunters to hunt semi wild animals. He cant put more animals than the land will support on there for very long or he would have to feed em, and eat up his profit. There are many times that smaller fenced places are high or low on animals depending on when there are good deals on animals! If you go and see a ton of blackbuck at KJ, there is a reason for that. Its not because they are migrating south! I just think that all hunters need to be realistic about what they are buying when they go to a fenced place under 2000 acres. It might be a less fun hunt, but just ask the number of animals remaining in the pasture before you book. Then you wont have anything to de disapointed about. Ithink saying hunting will be tough is another way of saying.... I dont have very many animals out there.

You guys can write a bunch of mean stuff about me bc I know yall will, but those are the facts. There is nothing that I am saying here that isnt true.

[radkejd]

Is this how it is?

I'm new to hunting exotics in S Texas and to this forum, and I'm just a dumb hick kid from W Oklahoma so that may have something to do with it, but if you're going to post something on a forum shouldn't be close to the truth??

I'm the ram hunter that has been mentioned on this thread, and it's true I MISSED!! Not once, but twice on the same ram at 40 and 35 yards on the same hunt!!! an hour and a half between shots!! I sat the same amount of times as everyone else and I saw shooter animals everytime, but once... I just hadn't ponied up the extra $150 to shoot those deer...

I thought Keith was very up front telling us we were going to have to put in some time on stand because things were unusally green... He told me to just sit there and the animals would come, and guess what they did!!! Now it wasn't like I was cover with Gold Medal animals quatering away @ 20 yards, but the opportunities were there... at least for me!

and for another hunter who hit a Blackbuck in the head with his 2Blade Rage that he showed us in the back of the truck on the way back in to the bunk house... That was right after he had told Keith that everything he had seen was running too fast and too far away... This all seems really strange to me to bash the outfitter for things that were outside of his control, and not tell the whole story...

I understand being disappointed at not killing anything on a hunt, but isn't that a part of bowhunting?? the challenge? I mean if it's all about killing something and price isn't factor then grab your rifle, pay a rancher to open the barn door for ya, go to work!! But don't bash someone because the hunters could sit the stands, or you didn't get the perfect shot on a record Axis... just my 2cents, and I was there...

[stuntriderant]

Let me tell you guys a little about the ranch. These are facts coming from one of his former guides.... (and this is nothing against KJ, these are the fact for most of the small febced places)
The "ranch" is not 450 acres like they say, its 250 acres, google earth it!
Its a high game fence pen where animals are turned out for you to kill.
The buffalo are as tame as cows, some of the goats came from the san angelo sale barn. I know this because they were bought from me!
I know that many of you guys are true hunters, but lets face the reality that you get what you pay for. If you go to keith johns place and pay $200 for a hunt, you get a $200 hunt. You are gonna get to shoot a semi wild animal in a trapped atmosphere. There is nothing wrong with that if you understand that before you book the hunt.

You guys also have to understand that there is no possible way that 250 acres can support that many breeding animals. These animals are 100% brought in. If you think that you are hunting a true breeding population on any high game fence place smaller than 2000 acres you are fooling yourself. Go to harper texas raz livestock and watch all the smaller ranches buy this stuff up. They come in every month and buy more blackbuck males, or adax males... why is it that they never buy females? They are being shot very quickly after their release.

The bottom line is I dont fault KJ, he is a business owner. He brings in animals for bowhunters to hunt semi wild animals. He cant put more animals than the land will support on there for very long or he would have to feed em, and eat up his profit. There are many times that smaller fenced places are high or low on animals depending on when there are good deals on animals! If you go and see a ton of blackbuck at KJ, there is a reason for that. Its not because they are migrating south! I just think that all hunters need to be realistic about what they are buying when they go to a fenced place under 2000 acres. It might be a less fun hunt, but just ask the number of animals remaining in the pasture before you book. Then you wont have anything to de disapointed about. Ithink saying hunting will be tough is another way of saying.... I dont have very many animals out there.

You guys can write a bunch of mean stuff about me bc I know yall will, but those are the facts. There is nothing that I am saying here that isnt true.

Former guide?? Didnt know he had guides?

[jimmyjohn]

he has a few guys he has called in

[stuntriderant]

Let me tell you guys a little about the ranch. These are facts coming from one of his former guides.... (and this is nothing against KJ, these are the fact for most of the small febced places)
The "ranch" is not 450 acres like they say, its 250 acres, google earth it!
Its a high game fence pen where animals are turned out for you to kill.
The buffalo are as tame as cows, some of the goats came from the san angelo sale barn. I know this because they were bought from me!
I know that many of you guys are true hunters, but lets face the reality that you get what you pay for. If you go to keith johns place and pay $200 for a hunt, you get a $200 hunt. You are gonna get to shoot a semi wild animal in a trapped atmosphere. There is nothing wrong with that if you understand that before you book the hunt.

You guys also have to understand that there is no possible way that 250 acres can support that many breeding animals. These animals are 100% brought in. If you think that you are hunting a true breeding population on any high game fence place smaller than 2000 acres you are fooling yourself. Go to harper texas raz livestock and watch all the smaller ranches buy this stuff up. They come in every month and buy more blackbuck males, or adax males... why is it that they never buy females? They are being shot very quickly after their release.

The bottom line is I dont fault KJ, he is a business owner. He brings in animals for bowhunters to hunt semi wild animals. He cant put more animals than the land will support on there for very long or he would have to feed em, and eat up his profit. There are many times that smaller fenced places are high or low on animals depending on when there are good deals on animals! If you go and see a ton of blackbuck at KJ, there is a reason for that. Its not because they are migrating south! I just think that all hunters need to be realistic about what they are buying when they go to a fenced place under 2000 acres. It might be a less fun hunt, but just ask the number of animals remaining in the pasture before you book. Then you wont have anything to de disapointed about. Ithink saying hunting will be tough is another way of saying.... I dont have very many animals out there.

You guys can write a bunch of mean stuff about me bc I know yall will, but those are the facts. There is nothing that I am saying here that isnt true.

Im not sure what your trying to accomplish with this? It really dosent have anything to do with the thread besides give information that im sure everyone knows. Cmon buddy we know that the animals there arent native or breeding, its a hunting ranch. Not sayin your wrong. Just my 02.

[stuntriderant]

In the years ive been there and known Keith on a personal level ive only seen Ronnie and his son Wade out there helping. Guess he needs a break every now and then too. I really like goin out there myself. I have fun and good hunts. Hopefully everything works out for everybody.

[jimmyjohn]

Former guide?? Didnt know he had guides?

stuntriderant...
If you know the group down there very well just ask the guy who those two kids with boer goats belong to in the pics section of his website. He can verify
I am not going to put names on here and strain relationships, but its the truth.

[jimmyjohn]

Im not sure what your trying to accomplish with this? It really dosent have anything to do with the thread besides give information that im sure everyone knows. Cmon buddy we know that the animals there arent native or breeding, its a hunting ranch. Not sayin your wrong. Just my 02.

I appreciate that you like hunting there. Thats what its all about, enjoying the hunt and the people that put it on. I posted because I think that guides should be more honest and say, I am low on animals right now instead of blaming it on anything else. These boards are for hunters to get a better idea of what they are buying when they do buy a hunt. That was the only reason for the full description of what goes on the small ranches. Many of the guys who hunt at places like this one do it bc they dont have time to hunt alot, and some of them do it bc they just are getting started and dont know what they are buying, and some do it bc that is exactly what they want. Thats why I posted the full rundown on the animals and such.

I am not slamming anyone, and KJ is a pretty cool dude. Like I said these hunters have to understand that this is a business.

[stuntriderant]

The guy with the kids is also a close friend of mine. Good guy and hell of a bow technician!!