Maybe people have finally had enough of this...

[ThisLadyHunts]

Like the rest of you, I have more questions than answers as it relates to the situation surrounding COVID-19. Inarguably, the response of many governments is unprecedented: isolation, masks in public, closing “non-essential” businesses to name just a few. To be clear, I am not a medical professional but I do interact with my city’s medical community on a number of levels and consider myself well informed for a lay person. And yet, there is so much surrounding the response to COVID-19 that simply does not make sense to me. This is not the first Carona virus we’ve been exposed to. Nor is it the first SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome; specifically, lower respiratory) virus to threaten our older and vulnerable populations. We’re exposed to new, novel viruses all the time, I.e. a novel influenza virus presents itself every year. So why this virus? Why now? I’m not yet convinced that C-19 is any more or less threatening than other lower respiratory viruses; I just simply haven’t seen the data. Anywhere.

As for the confusion surrounding hospitals, ED centers, and urgent care/minor emergency centers, I can speak fairly knowledgeably. To understand the seemingly conflicting phenomena about hospitals (et al) being both 1) overwhelmed and 2) underutilized, it helps to know how hospitals have had to (temporarily) alter their “patient care model” in order to respond to both patient and government demands. In response to this pandemic, hospitals immediately furloughed all elective and most non-emergency surgeries (and related procedures, I.e., radiological) and immediately re-directed all available and qualified personnel to the C-19 effort. All other personnel have been furloughed or laid off. Further, while hospitals may have plenty of open beds available, most do not have the specialized supplies and equipment in the volume needed to respond to an infectious disease on a pandemic level. And to further complicate matters, neither are we able to turn to our manufacturing community (for PPEs, as an example), because we’ve ceded much of manufacturing to, you guessed it...China! (Okay, that part was more of a personal political statement on my part.) I’m not big on conspiracy theories but I can’t help but wonder wonder if we’re doing all of this to prepare for the eventuality of...well, I’m not even going to go there.

My apologies for being so long-winded. If I’ve accomplished nothing more than to encourage your continued skepticism regarding all the (mis)information flying around out there, then I will consider this a success.

As my father always used to say, “Think critically. Question everything.” I think might be onto something.

[Thumper]

...............Last question, just in general. I realize there are a lot less people living their normal routines but what has actually lead to so few people being hospitalized? When we get back to normal, what should we be doing to continue the low hospitalization numbers?

People are staying away from the hospitals for non C-19 issues and surgeries. They are not wanting to be exposed to the virus by going to the hospital.

[Pedernal]

I’ll play!

1). Have you seen any data on testing, vs positives, vs. symptoms, vs hospitalizations vs deaths.? Yes lots of people tested, very few positive, then very few with symptoms then the last group of needing hospitalizations. The media has you believe that everybody that gets it dies. The numbers don’t add up.

2). When you say large wave of people are we talking 50, 500, 5000? But your question pertained to hospitalizations which means a stay or do you mean needs a vent? See I can ask the question and constantly get different answers. 40 to 60 mil get the flu every year, with hospitalizations which lead to death for some.

Let me ask you a question! Everything that you believe about the virus comes from where? Your questions are based on something you have read or heard. If it is the MSM then this is why people are not believing what is being shoved down are throats.


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1) The issue is that there are no real/true/correct numbers to look at. there are not enough test kits and or testing to produce numbers that could be used to extrapolate an accurate response.

Everyone or most everyone that has an agenda and most people in the media quotes numbers that support their agenda. I think most people are already or have been in tune with the misinformation for a while.

2) I am not sure on ICU beds at our local hospital but I bet it's less than 15. So I would guesstimate 30ish cases requiring ICU type care ( in other words twice the number of beds) would greatly overwhelm the system.

I hear you on the flu and raise you the number of peeps that die from smoking related health complications. I can't quote you the numbers but it's way higher the flu. Diabetes, the same thing and both can be prevented in a lot of cases.

I am not saying the SIP is a good thing. I am living my "normal" life. I am not a social butterfly so when I am not at work nothing much has changed (other than the pain in the arse it has become to buying groceries). At work, there have been a few changes but I work 50 plus a week. I was merely asking some questions.

[friscopaint]

Daughter works icu at Parkland. They are busy but rest of the place is a ghost town.

[Pedernal]

People are staying away from the hospitals for non C-19 issues and surgeries. They are not wanting to be exposed to the virus by going to the hospital.

Not trying to be a smart arse, I get that peeps are afraid to go to the hospital due to the belief it might get then infected. The real question is; how real are peoples' "needs" to be at a hospital to began with? I am referring to on a regular bases. Like the whole narrative about get a degree or you can't get ahead without an education money grab there is/has been a big money grab going on with health care as well.

I have a regular appointment to have blood work done as diabetes and hypertension run wild in our family. I will be there to have my numbers checked like I normally do.

[Pedernal]

Like the rest of you, I have more questions than answers as it relates to the situation surrounding COVID-19. Inarguably, the response of many governments is unprecedented: isolation, masks in public, closing “non-essential” businesses to name just a few. To be clear, I am not a medical professional but I do interact with my city’s medical community on a number of levels and consider myself well informed for a lay person. And yet, there is so much surrounding the response to COVID-19 that simply does not make sense to me. This is not the first Carona virus we’ve been exposed to. Nor is it the first SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome; specifically, lower respiratory) virus to threaten our older and vulnerable populations. We’re exposed to new, novel viruses all the time, I.e. a novel influenza virus presents itself every year. So why this virus? Why now? I’m not yet convinced that C-19 is any more or less threatening than other lower respiratory viruses; I just simply haven’t seen the data. Anywhere.

As for the confusion surrounding hospitals, ED centers, and urgent care/minor emergency centers, I can speak fairly knowledgeably. To understand the seemingly conflicting phenomena about hospitals (et al) being both 1) overwhelmed and 2) underutilized, it helps to know how hospitals have had to (temporarily) alter their “patient care model” in order to respond to both patient and government demands. In response to this pandemic, hospitals immediately furloughed all elective and most non-emergency surgeries (and related procedures, I.e., radiological) and immediately re-directed all available and qualified personnel to the C-19 effort. All other personnel have been furloughed or laid off. Further, while hospitals may have plenty of open beds available, most do not have the specialized supplies and equipment in the volume needed to respond to an infectious disease on a pandemic level. And to further complicate matters, neither are we able to turn to our manufacturing community (for PPEs, as an example), because we’ve ceded much of manufacturing to, you guessed it...China! (Okay, that part was more of a personal political statement on my part.) I’m not big on conspiracy theories but I can’t help but wonder wonder if we’re doing all of this to prepare for the eventuality of...well, I’m not even going to go there.

My apologies for being so long-winded. If I’ve accomplished nothing more than to encourage your continued skepticism regarding all the (mis)information flying around out there, then I will consider this a success.

As my father always used to say, “Think critically. Question everything.” I think might be onto something.

I think most of us are in the sane boat. Way more questions than answers. I guess the solution is just to keep rowing away as this too will pass as have other "recent crises"

[deerplanter]

You need to pull you pull your head out of your ***! Did you watch the local news tonight where they said 30+ rural hospitals have closed since this crap started? There is zero overcrowding and you need to check your daughters info because she is lying to you! I’m tired of the bull**** lies! It’s killing our economy

First off not sure what is your local news, but the one I watched said nothing about hospitals shutting down, channel 11. I would imagine the ones closing are because all elective procedures have been postponed, doctors offices are not seeing patients getting ready for the surge. My wife had her fourth coworker (nurse) get tested positive for it.

[Hogmauler]

I worked in facilities at Baylor Scott and White College Station. If the O R pressure was out of whack you heard about it immediately! Why? Surgeries are the life blood of a hospital. I think they were averaging around $250-260,000 a week in surgeries. That could contribute to hospitals shutting down.
My wife’s hospital census is down 50% now because as previously stated a lot less people are being injured in car wrecks, illegals are not using the e r,s for their primary care for kids with snotty noses etc etc. And they do have Covid patients, just not the staggering number you see when you live in a cess pool of people everyday.

[SB09]

There's a lot of common sense going on in this thread with a few outliers still on the Chicken Little path of "the sky is falling."

All I notice is the models continually predict worst case scenario. I think is by design/agenda. The initial "scenario" was 2.2million dead from this virus. Which has moved all the way down to about 80K in the past few weeks(the final number will be lower in my opinion). These speculator's models have missed their mark by over 96% if my math is correct. Someone please explain why I should trust anything they say at this point? That's a way worse accuracy rating than Meteorologist trying to forecast rain more than 24hours before it happens. I don't know why they've done this for sure. Maybe it was to scare people into staying home? Maybe it was to inflict maximum damage politically? Nobody knows for sure...

One thing I do know is we've got to get back to business very soon if we want even a 1% chance of stopping the real issue that will create much more hardship and death than the virus itself.

[SaltwaterSlick]

Like the rest of you, I have more questions than answers as it relates to the situation surrounding COVID-19. Inarguably, the response of many governments is unprecedented: isolation, masks in public, closing “non-essential” businesses to name just a few. To be clear, I am not a medical professional but I do interact with my city’s medical community on a number of levels and consider myself well informed for a lay person. And yet, there is so much surrounding the response to COVID-19 that simply does not make sense to me. This is not the first Carona virus we’ve been exposed to. Nor is it the first SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome; specifically, lower respiratory) virus to threaten our older and vulnerable populations. We’re exposed to new, novel viruses all the time, I.e. a novel influenza virus presents itself every year. So why this virus? Why now? I’m not yet convinced that C-19 is any more or less threatening than other lower respiratory viruses; I just simply haven’t seen the data. Anywhere.

As for the confusion surrounding hospitals, ED centers, and urgent care/minor emergency centers, I can speak fairly knowledgeably. To understand the seemingly conflicting phenomena about hospitals (et al) being both 1) overwhelmed and 2) underutilized, it helps to know how hospitals have had to (temporarily) alter their “patient care model” in order to respond to both patient and government demands. In response to this pandemic, hospitals immediately furloughed all elective and most non-emergency surgeries (and related procedures, I.e., radiological) and immediately re-directed all available and qualified personnel to the C-19 effort. All other personnel have been furloughed or laid off. Further, while hospitals may have plenty of open beds available, most do not have the specialized supplies and equipment in the volume needed to respond to an infectious disease on a pandemic level. And to further complicate matters, neither are we able to turn to our manufacturing community (for PPEs, as an example), because we’ve ceded much of manufacturing to, you guessed it...China! (Okay, that part was more of a personal political statement on my part.) I’m not big on conspiracy theories but I can’t help but wonder wonder if we’re doing all of this to prepare for the eventuality of...well, I’m not even going to go there.

My apologies for being so long-winded. If I’ve accomplished nothing more than to encourage your continued skepticism regarding all the (mis)information flying around out there, then I will consider this a success.

As my father always used to say, “Think critically. Question everything.” I think might be onto something.

First of all m'am, welcome to the Campfire! Second of all, I think you are spot on with your analysis and your critical thinking pattern with this particular mess we all find ourselves in.



I think if we use a common approach to critical thinking that works in almost every case, and use the principle of "follow the money", we will get many answers to the questions we are all asking... The money leads to power and power leads to control. That's what this whole thing is about. I'm no tin foil hat conspiracy theorist either and I don't think anyone has to be to see what this whole deal is...


This think is no different than the whole impeachment thing. The left overshot their abilities so badly and were so far in that they had no choice but to carry through with their ill-conceived plan. Same with this CV-19 issue... President depended on advisers who have a background in left-leaning agendas and he reacted based on their advice. He genuinely wants to do the best for the country in everything he does. I strongly believe that. If he is successful in "Making America Great Again", his ego will be stroked and he will be happy. He's fulfilled his bucket list of about everything else he could ever dream up, so being the most powerful leader in the world was about all that was left for him... If the left could ever understand that, he'd lead them to success too. He's shown clearly that he is willing to work with anyone given half a chance. They just don't get it. And once this CV-19 snowball started rolling, the media both liberal and conservative jumped on and pushed the ball to make it roll faster and faster... Sensationalism is a disease of ALL media. Our only hope is that the regular American citizens rise up and put a stop to this snowball before it rolls us all over a cliff.

[Charles]

Like the rest of you, I have more questions than answers as it relates to the situation surrounding COVID-19. Inarguably, the response of many governments is unprecedented: isolation, masks in public, closing “non-essential” businesses to name just a few. To be clear, I am not a medical professional but I do interact with my city’s medical community on a number of levels and consider myself well informed for a lay person. And yet, there is so much surrounding the response to COVID-19 that simply does not make sense to me. This is not the first Carona virus we’ve been exposed to. Nor is it the first SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome; specifically, lower respiratory) virus to threaten our older and vulnerable populations. We’re exposed to new, novel viruses all the time, I.e. a novel influenza virus presents itself every year. So why this virus? Why now? I’m not yet convinced that C-19 is any more or less threatening than other lower respiratory viruses; I just simply haven’t seen the data. Anywhere.

As for the confusion surrounding hospitals, ED centers, and urgent care/minor emergency centers, I can speak fairly knowledgeably. To understand the seemingly conflicting phenomena about hospitals (et al) being both 1) overwhelmed and 2) underutilized, it helps to know how hospitals have had to (temporarily) alter their “patient care model” in order to respond to both patient and government demands. In response to this pandemic, hospitals immediately furloughed all elective and most non-emergency surgeries (and related procedures, I.e., radiological) and immediately re-directed all available and qualified personnel to the C-19 effort. All other personnel have been furloughed or laid off. Further, while hospitals may have plenty of open beds available, most do not have the specialized supplies and equipment in the volume needed to respond to an infectious disease on a pandemic level. And to further complicate matters, neither are we able to turn to our manufacturing community (for PPEs, as an example), because we’ve ceded much of manufacturing to, you guessed it...China! (Okay, that part was more of a personal political statement on my part.) I’m not big on conspiracy theories but I can’t help but wonder wonder if we’re doing all of this to prepare for the eventuality of...well, I’m not even going to go there.

My apologies for being so long-winded. If I’ve accomplished nothing more than to encourage your continued skepticism regarding all the (mis)information flying around out there, then I will consider this a success.

As my father always used to say, “Think critically. Question everything.” I think might be onto something.

Welcome to the campfire.

[CoolHandLuke]

Updated Covid numbers in the Houston area as of this morning.

[manwitaplan]

To put that in perspective. The city of Houston has 2.4 million people. We had 13 deaths?

I thought people on here were saying the hospitals are over flowing and no vents available.

If the common person cannot translate those numbers into reality we are completely screwed as a Nation.


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[RiverRat1]

A flatter curve just means you prolong it. Same number of sick people just spread over time. There has to be a way to protect the old and weak and still get back to business. When I hear Fauci say it will take 18 months best case to get a vaccine to make sure it is safe, I want to slap him. You can't keep people locked up for 18 months.

What if the curve never really increases? Like the rate increase in Texas? We will be in lockdown for 20 years waiting for 60% to get it LOL

[texaspacker]

Write in ballots

A flatter curve just means you prolong it. Same number of sick people just spread over time. There has to be a way to protect the old and weak and still get back to business. When I hear Fauci say it will take 18 months best case to get a vaccine to make sure it is safe, I want to slap him. You can't keep people locked up for 18 months.

If they can keep us locked up till November. Then we have to vote though mail or even worse email Biden will win for sure. Nancy said last summer the DNC would crash the economy to keep Trump out of office. Put that aside the whole worlds in the same situation so I'm thinking Bill Gates along with China are in the mist of a NWO style power grab.