Abbot's Executive Order

[flyinstroke]

It is interesting the debate has come to massive deaths, or liberty. Why? Why must govt restrict our movement, or we have die?

A free people do not have to make this choice. They dont have to worry about govt restricting movement.

The choice to remain virus free does not require the loss of liberty. Thats just the choice of the subject.

If you do not want to get the virus, quit your job, go in your house and lock your doors. Dont come out till its over. You will almost certainly not get it.

If you want to risk it, do.what you want. Dont go whining when you are dying from it.

Thats what free people do.

If you are in healthcare and dont want to get it, quit and go lock yourself in the house or work at Walmart. Thats what free people do.

It is very telling when so-called conservatives are so happy to have govt restrict their movement.

Do not misunderstand me. This virus appears to be a nightmare. I dont want to get it. I sincerely feel for those going through it. I am so sorry this is happening. But allowing govt to restrict our movement "for your safety" is FOOLISH!

If you dont want to get sick restrict YOUR movement.

I just had an identical conversation with a good friend who claims to be " freedom above all else" It amazes me how many people have discovered that they really are sheep in this whole ordeal. Freedom isn't free, and it never will be.


And yes I personally know an entire family that has been confirmed positive with COVID-19.

[DRT]

They have already suspended freedom to practice religion, freedom to gather in protest. What amendments fall next? Free speech because we shot disagreement?
Just look at how some on here want to call someone an asshat or dumbass because they believe others shouldn't have a voice.
The second amendment is going to be under fire soon.

Gary

[Chad C]

We'll get back to normal, shortly. There are hotspots and there are areas starting to flatten out. Albeit the normal, will be a new type of normal for a lot of folks.


Analytics are only as good as the numbers imputed, this is NOT a perfect science and is always up for debate.

It has been an issue in Washington State longer than anywhere else in the US and it has not gotten out of hand in that State (not to mention, of the 65,324 tested as of yesterday, 92.5% were negative).

NY and New Jersey account for 94,679 cases and 1,981 deaths which accounts for nearly half the deaths in the country and 50.126% of all confirmed cases.

[Drycreek3189]

I am taking another load of furniture and belongings from our house in Lubbock to our new place in Rogers on Thursday and will see absolutely no one except when we stop for gas so this to me is essential. We are taking something to eat in the cooler so no stopping unless it is at a roadside park to eat! I am social distancing for sure!

Good plan Sir, and I can’t see how that’s hurting or affecting anyone except you.........don’t pull a hernia unloading that furniture !

[SwampRabbit]

There are never easy answers for situations of such great complexity.

[PondPopper]

those who know history know that times like these are exactly how citizens lose freedom, dictators come to power and wars are started.

Even in our own history, the last time we lost a huge portion of our freedom, our economic liberty, a massive institutionalization of socialism was the depression. All in the name of "saving the people".

And we do it all again and again like fools......

Then we go vote for a guy tht calls himself a conservtive and feel all warm inside....

bingo!!!!!

[TxMedic]

Never knew how many epidemiologists and infectious disease experts we had on the GS...I’m sure it’s all just a huge government conspiracy to strip all of our freedoms. Carry on.

[Dale Moser]

Had another theory that I have now way of proving....

how much does Public Transportation have to do with the virus spread? Look at the areas with highest numbers...lots of folks in tight spaces. I have been to London, Phillidelphia, New York and New Jersey....public transport is a huge deal in those places.

.....and God Bless America.

Population density.


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[TwoHighways]

Epidemiology is junk science to begin with, especially when based on ****ty data. Nobody know what the infectivity rate is and no one can as it’s a variable that’s dependent of many other variables. No one knows how many are actually infected because we don’t test people with no symptoms or minor symptoms. The best data we do have is from the diamond princess cruise ship, of which only 18% of the passengers on board actually contracted the virus. Of those 18% that contracted it, a little over 1% died. And this was in a cruise going (old geezer) population. Yes, it’s a novel cold virus that humanity hasn’t been exposed to prior to someone in China eating an undercooked bat, but the media, government, and sheeple response to this is far worse than the virus itself. Kids are largely immune to this, yet we’ve cancelled schools. The young and healthy are crucial to the development of herd immunity, yet we’re being told that everyone needs to social distance, which is only dragging this thing out even longer.

[Dale Moser]

It just ain’t always that simple, Dale.

My post history proves that I’m as constitutional as we come! There are just more variables at play here. If our government became tyrannical to the point of “GO TIME”, I would be one of the first in line. But this is a different beast. You guys can also see my opinion has evolved on COVID19. As I see more and more spread, (yes, relatively speaking - spare me the other deaths by other means info) and I talk with those who have personal experience with this ailment, either themselves or family, I’ve started thinking differently about this.



Sure I could go to work. But I have 4 young children at home with 3/4 having underlying health conditions. However it’s just not worth it to me. Providing for my family is about way more than financially. IN FACT, the most impactful provisions one can give their family are not in the Financial way at all. This is also about protecting others who may be more susceptible. I do not want myself or my family spreading contagion either.



Before anyone asks - yes I’m getting paid while at home. But before you go thinking that influences the way I think about this , check back in with me in a few weeks. I’m 100% commission and if they shut my jobs down- I’ll quickly see the other end of this conundrum we are all facing.

I know it’s not THAT simple, and my perception changes as well...how couldn’t it?

I just think far to much of this is politically driven, and far to many people are willing to cower in fear and wait for someone to save them.

It should be societies responsibility too look after its elderly/weak/compromised, while keeping that society operational for them.


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[JLivi1224]

I know it’s not THAT simple, and my perception changes as well...how couldn’t it?

I just think far to much of this is politically driven, and far to many people are willing to cower in fear and wait for someone to save them.

It should be societies responsibility too look after its elderly/weak/compromised, while keeping that society operational for them.


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100% there is some political BS behind this. And that’s disgusting and shameful. We will eventually have to pay the piper on all this astronomical spending of money that doesn’t exist!

[LFD2037]

One thing to remember, the “models” being used to estimate the potential number of deaths are based on the conditions in NYC. That in itself is a fallacy and not applicable to 95% of the CONUS.

I truly believe it’s fear mongering by our government to scare people into thinking a $2.2 trillion stimulus package and soft tyranny is/was necessary.

I’m just amazed at the so called conservatives that are falling for it.


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[TxMedic]

I know it’s not THAT simple, and my perception changes as well...how couldn’t it?

I just think far to much of this is politically driven, and far to many people are willing to cower in fear and wait for someone to save them.

It should be societies responsibility too look after its elderly/weak/compromised, while keeping that society operational for them.


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This is one of the better perspectives I’ve read. Well said, Dale.

[Dale Moser]

And don’t think for a second that this doesn’t scare me too, it definitely does. I don’t want to get my family sick, my folks and my in laws are all around 70, hell I don’t want to get it! But I refuse to make decisions based on fear.

I don’t know all the answers, but I know we are teetering on the edge of coming back to a far worse world than this virus could create.


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[curtintex]

One thing to remember, the “models” being used to estimate the potential number of deaths are based on the conditions in NYC. That in itself is a fallacy and not applicable to 95% of the CONUS.

I truly believe it’s fear mongering by our government to scare people into thinking a $2.2 trillion stimulus package and soft tyranny is/was necessary.

I’m just amazed at the so called conservatives that are falling for it.


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You believe that 435 Congressmen, 100 Senators, 50 governors, and thousands of mayors.....politicians that can't agree on a **** thing most of the time, miraculously came together for this momentous event? I just don't think they'd ever be organized enough. I don't disagree with you about losing liberties, 9/11 and Bush's reaction to it cost us more liberties than anyone bothered to notice. I think our government is just too stupid to not let it happen. Just another instance of our government leaders not representing the people.