Man lying down with hands up shot by cops

[tvc184]

Even if the autistic guy did have a pistol, assuming he wasn't acting threatening, would that be justification to shoot? I could see it at close range or if he was pointing it and firing or acting like he will fire. But, the video just kind of shows the guy sitting there playing with something.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in the end.

That would be a case by case issue. What is not threatening? If I am looking at a guy a few feet away and yelling drop the gun and he doesn't, do I have to wait until he points it?

I don't know but might depend on what else is being done or has been done before the shot. I know that even if you are pointing a gun at me and I have one in my hand but not pointed at you, I can shoot you before you get off a shot in self defense. Your reaction time to my shot will be slower than me pointing and shooting.

[Man]

Even if the autistic guy did have a pistol, assuming he wasn't acting threatening, would that be justification to shoot? I could see it at close range or if he was pointing it and firing or acting like he will fire. But, the video just kind of shows the guy sitting there playing with something.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in the end.

Guy is holding a toy train, guy next to him is safely explaining the situation. Cop shoots helpless people. I hope a head rolls.

[RJH1]

I know I will get heat for this, but this is why it annoys me when I see signs that say things like, "I support all law officers." All law officers are not saints, and some are idiots. Same goes for military. That said I am not anti-cop or anti military, I just like to judge on a case by case basis and realize that there are not many absolutes, especially when dealing with people.

[tvc184]

I know I will get heat for this, but this is why it annoys me when I see signs that say things like, "I support all law officers." All law officers are not saints, and some are idiots. Same goes for military. That said I am not anti-cop or anti military, I just like to judge on a case by case basis and realize that there are not many absolutes, especially when dealing with people.

Yep and we just had some teachers and school administrators locally get sentenced to federal prison. I think one was for stealing booster club money that would have gone to the kids.

When people say, "I support the police" or "I support teachers" or "I support the military", etc., most people (including me) don't feel compelled to say, "Except for those idiots that steal from kids or tarnish the badge or ruin the image of the military, etc.".

Everyone knows what is meant if someone says, "I support...".

I agree with you 100% that every person in every profession is not worthy of praise but I suspect that people know what support means.

Heat? No. Misunderstanding support? Probably.

[VarmintRod]

Guy who was shot, in his video interview says he was hit once and it felt like a "mesquito bite."

Was he actually shot 4 times? Were there even 4 shots fired?

My mistake, I got some bum information. Sorry Sir.

[Roscoe]

No problem. We're all just talking about something we know little about, which in and of itself is part of the bigger problem. Lol

[Pilgrim]

Guy is holding a toy train, guy next to him is safely explaining the situation. Cop shoots helpless people. I hope a head rolls.

Agreed

[twobanger]

Link to police statement. http://wsvn.com/news/local/video-sho...t-unarmed-man/

Highlight: "The Miami-Dade Police Union president said Thursday afternoon that Kinsey did everything right and that the North Miami Police officer was aiming for the patient out of fear that he had a gun and was planning to hurt Kinsey."

“The movement of the white individual looked like he was getting ready to charge a firearm into Mr. Kinsey,” said John Rivera, president of the Miami-Dade County Police Benevolent Association, “and the officer discharged, trying to strike and stop the white male, and unfortunately, he missed.”

Rivera released a statement from the officer that said in part: “I took this job to save lives and help people. I did what I had to do in a split second to accomplish that and hate to hear others paint me as something I’m not.”

“This is a case where a police officer was trying to save Mr. Kinsey’s life, and unfortunately, his shot went astray,” Rivera said.


The last two paragraphs aren't the police union guy and shooter just being tone deaf. It's the setup to make it a justifiable shoot.

[Man]

Glock

[Pilgrim]

Save his life from a toy truck? Did I miss something here?

[mdmorrow]

That video sure has a lot of edits in it. Is it possible that at some point the other guy did actually have a weapon?


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[ttechdallas]

I know I will get heat for this, but this is why it annoys me when I see signs that say things like, "I support all law officers." All law officers are not saints, and some are idiots. Same goes for military. That said I am not anti-cop or anti military, I just like to judge on a case by case basis and realize that there are not many absolutes, especially when dealing with people.

Obviously we need to wait for all the facts but it is clear that there are many more bad police shootings than at least I would have ever imagined. It is simply not logical to think that the only times these questionable shootings have occurred are the ones that just happened to be captured on video.

Before Black Lives Matter was co-opted by the divisive hatemongers on the left, their original point was that shootings like this one were not even investigated. If it happened, it was investigated internally, stamped as justified, and with zero transparency to the public, much less the victims of the family. Hence, hey, our lives matter too.

I have a feeling there are a lot more racist, or even just very angry cops, poorly trained who are involved in many of these shootings. But I wonder if the real problem is the lack of support they get. The liability for a bad shooting to township or small city has to be astronomical. And imagine what would happen if a police officer was disciplined for racist behaviors - every case that officer ever touched might be challenged.

Personally, I can't help but believe that not only are the vast majority of police very good men and women, they would love to flush their system of the officers who don't need to be there. Or maybe that need some counseling from what they have to deal with everyday. They need more support than just what the public can give them.

[doppelganger]

One of the huge problems with this story, for the police, is that the guy on the ground is yelling out who he was and why he's there. So, it's not like they weren't told he was there to retrieve the guy because he is special needs and there were no weapons. It's not good any way it goes...just more fuel for the anti-police though...luckily nobody was killed, good thing Miami police are really bad shots

[35remington]

I know I will get heat for this, but this is why it annoys me when I see signs that say things like, "I support all law officers." All law officers are not saints, and some are idiots. Same goes for military. That said I am not anti-cop or anti military, I just like to judge on a case by case basis and realize that there are not many absolutes, especially when dealing with people.

Yep and we just had some teachers and school administrators locally get sentenced to federal prison. I think one was for stealing booster club money that would have gone to the kids.

When people say, "I support the police" or "I support teachers" or "I support the military", etc., most people (including me) don't feel compelled to say, "Except for those idiots that steal from kids or tarnish the badge or ruin the image of the military, etc.".

Everyone knows what is meant if someone says, "I support...".

I agree with you 100% that every person in every profession is not worthy of praise but I suspect that people know what support means.

Heat? No. Misunderstanding support? Probably.

RJH has a valid point, especially based on the posts I've read elsewhere on TBH. Many in our camp blindly support one side instead of having an open mind about every news story.

[Man]

RJH has a valid point, especially based on the posts I've read elsewhere on TBH. Many in our camp blindly support one side instead of having an open mind about every news story.

I have supported 95% of the ones discussed on here....this one I will not. Another one was that POS cop that shot that guys dog when coming to file a report on burglery. Dog didn't die and the owner had to drown the dog in a 5 gallon bucket to put it out of his misery.....and the Victoria, tx cop who tazed the old man.