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    Originally posted by Playa View Post

    I know 1200 per day doesn’t make a dent in the millions who have streamed over, but in comparison ALL of 2024 ICE made 113,431 or about 310 per day. I’d say a 4X clip is a pretty good rate. Not that Biden’s America should be the benchmark, but it’s a turn in a better direction
    Not only that, but by simply stopping the flow of aliens from crossing the border makes the 1200 per day exponentially better.

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      Interesting video… link is from Facebook

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        Originally posted by Artos View Post
        You would literally be fighting the Mexican govt de facto...the Mex govt would need to take the lead if they really want to go after the cartels.

        Problem is there is no way to shut off supply / demand be it moving humans, guns or narcotics.
        Yep. The cartels is one of Mexican government cash flow also so they’d be shooting themselves in the foot.

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          Originally posted by Man View Post
          With regards to some bullets flying across, I know I am going to take some heat for this, but I think we need to stay the course and focus on getting these criminals out of the country and not getting dragged into a border fight. They (the cartels) are going to try to throw us off guard with this. Stay cautious and stay the course. There is obviously a line in the sand there...I just don't think they are going to cross it. That is my .2cents
          What is your line in the sand? A Cartel Sniper taking out BP or our Troops on this side of the Border? Should we wait until more American blood is shed in our own Country by a Foreign Enemy before we take action?

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            Originally posted by MtnMike View Post

            What is your line in the sand? A Cartel Sniper taking out BP or our Troops on this side of the Border? Should we wait until more American blood is shed in our own Country by a Foreign Enemy before we take action?
            Great question...let me think about it a little more.

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              Originally posted by Man View Post

              Great question...let me think about it a little more.
              Remember when DJT ordered the hit on Iran’s soleimani, the guy responsible for tons of American lives in Iraq and Afghanistan, without starting a war? It can be done without starting a conflict, it’s been done before. The Mexican cartels are no different.

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                I disagree...their history clearly shows instability with so many opportunistic thugs & corrupt elected officials.

                Iran govt is just one snake in control & cutting off the heads of cartel leaders is a common occurrence...Cartel del Golfo goes back to prohibition & if you gotta market, someone is always gonna supply.

                If Hegseth does this, it better be along the lines of going after fentanyl / China connection & see the OD numbers plummet. I personally don't want to watch the news where US war like operations are going on. That is the mex govt's job.

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                  Originally posted by Artos View Post
                  I disagree...their history clearly shows instability with so many opportunistic thugs & corrupt elected officials.

                  Iran govt is just one snake in control & cutting off the heads of cartel leaders is a common occurrence...Cartel del Golfo goes back to prohibition & if you gotta market, someone is always gonna supply.

                  If Hegseth does this, it better be along the lines of going after fentanyl / China connection & see the OD numbers plummet. I personally don't want to watch the news where US war like operations are going on. That is the mex govt's job.
                  How many more decades do we give Mexico to do their job?

                  i don’t disagree with you, but the more Mexico cozies up with china, the harder it becomes, to the point that we may be a decade too late as it is

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                    I like Trumps position of "Big Stick Diplomacy".

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                      Who knows, maybe Trump is pinching Mex with the tariffs & will address their assistance on this too...I would rather see the US manipulate Mex with $$$$ & force their hand than any sort of US boots on the ground in mex.

                      Problem is still the whole supply / demand...maybe the Marinas should attack the US for all the small arms going into their country :-) I don't have the answers & it's been fubar forever.

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                        as long as there is an appetite for drugs in this country nothing will change.
                        I'm sorry; if you overdose on drugs; well there is one less drug abuser/crimminal in the USA. I have ZERO empathy for drug abusers who die from it, I'm sorry, I just don't.
                        IMO sooner or later the cartels will run out of customers.
                        Teach your kids better.
                        FLAME AWAY.

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                          Originally posted by stickerpatch59 View Post
                          as long as there is an appetite for drugs in this country nothing will change.
                          I'm sorry; if you overdose on drugs; well there is one less drug abuser/crimminal in the USA. I have ZERO empathy for drug abusers who die from it, I'm sorry, I just don't.
                          IMO sooner or later the cartels will run out of customers.
                          Teach your kids better.
                          FLAME AWAY.
                          Not going to flame away. But the amount of drugs flowing through our southern and northern border make it really easy and convenient to get you next fix.

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                            Originally posted by stickerpatch59 View Post
                            as long as there is an appetite for drugs in this country nothing will change.
                            I'm sorry; if you overdose on drugs; well there is one less drug abuser/crimminal in the USA. I have ZERO empathy for drug abusers who die from it, I'm sorry, I just don't.
                            IMO sooner or later the cartels will run out of customers.
                            Teach your kids better.
                            FLAME AWAY.
                            If you don’t have empathy then don’t say you’re sorry! I do not understand why people say that when they don’t mean it.

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                              Originally posted by Bucknaked View Post

                              If you don’t have empathy then don’t say you’re sorry! I do not understand why people say that when they don’t mean it.
                              I feel for their families, I have a drug abuser in my family also.😞

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                                Originally posted by stickerpatch59 View Post

                                I feel for their families, I have a drug abuser in my family also.😞
                                Same here. 17 years of hearing the empty promises & watching family members have their hearts broken repeatedly has caused me to have NO TOLERANCE FOR DRUGGIES!

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