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    #16
    Originally posted by tvc184 View Post

    You are correct that amendments have holes in them but when the Supreme Court rules, that eliminates some claimed interpretations or holes.

    In NYSRPA v. Bruen, the Supreme Court ruled that carrying a firearm in public was a fundamental right of self defense and no less than any other fundamental right such as freedom of speech or religion.

    This is a quote from the Bruen decision:

    The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not “a second-class right subject to an entirely different body rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees”.

    So while it can be said like a mantra or caveat in any discussion of constitutional rights… well, no right is absolutely, it does become absolutely upon a ruling by the Supreme Court unless they later overrule themselves.

    The Supreme Court is quoted to say that the right to bear arms “in public” for the purpose of “self defense” is equal to other freedoms such as freedom of the press, right to remain silent, an attorney, etc.

    So unless anyone believes that a governor can under any circumstance tell you that during bad times or an emergency, you do not have a right to religion, you no longer have a right to remain silent or to hire an attorney or you no longer have the right to voice you opposition…… the premise of no amendment is absolutely has no bearing in this case and certainly not for the unilaterally action. The Supreme Court recently made that clear.

    In my opinion.
    Nor arguing with you at all, I am of the same opinion. But they have already told us, at least in a manner of speaking, that we didn;t have the right to religion. Remember Covid? Just pushing it further and further to see will jump out of the pot.

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      #17
      Originally posted by 100%TtId View Post
      The arrogance of some of these state and local politicians is just astounding.
      what precludes Federal politicians from this statement of arrogance???
      I feel that ALMOST ALL of them fit the category!

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        #18
        The courts will never hear any suits coming from this. Why do I know this? Because this edict is only for 30 days. So by the time any case makes it to a judge, it will have expired thus eliminating any potential case.

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          #19
          Originally posted by hpdrifter View Post

          what precludes Federal politicians from this statement of arrogance???
          I feel that ALMOST ALL of them fit the category!
          Unfortunately you are correct. They almost all suck.

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            #20
            The nutcases in NM got what they voted for.

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              #21
              This is straight up tyranny.

              It's a 30 day test to see who will comply & who will snitch on their neighbor...if someone is fined / arrested then there very well could be a court date regardless of any timeline. I see lawsuits being filed on Monday by 2nd rights groups.

              Some theories floating around where they Want this dragged out in the court system to reach a post 2024 scotus court that gets packed after they steal the election again...others feel they want to see how the compliance goes so the cdc or whatever swamp org can throw the constitution away & pull any control move they want at anytime for any reason. Can't say for sure, but it was Mass covid compliance that got them outta the gates & it's not gonna stop.

              Make no mistake, this next election is all about changing the scotus so this kinda crap CAN reach the courts, become legal & throw the constitution away.

              Hard to believe what I'm seeing here...a literal 30 day cancelation of constitutional rights for the sake of 'safety'. The gov should be seeing jail time. Clown show.





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                #22
                Vehicle deaths far outnumber firearms deaths. Ban Autos and see how that flies with the public! I mean, "if it saves just one life it's worth it"?

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by locolobo View Post
                  Vehicle deaths far outnumber firearms deaths. Ban Autos and see how that flies with the public! I mean, "if it saves just one life it's worth it"?

                  Hey now, let’s not bring in common sense into this equation!! Feelings only! It’s the liberal way.

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                    #25
                    Lujan Grisham told The New York Times that she was within her authority. “I have emergency powers. Gun violence is an epidemic. Therefore, it’s an emergency,” she said. When she issued the order, she said, "No constitutional right, in my view, including my oath, is intended to be absolute," according to Fox News. When asked if she expected criminals to follow her edict, she replied, "Uh, no."​

                    Tyrants. Right out in the open.

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                      #26
                      I couldn’t sleep last night so I got into the comment section on the Yahoo News article about this governor and what she did. One of my comments got rejected because it violated community standards. Here is that comment;

                      “If an elected official violates the constitution, freely admits doing so, yet still continues to push the unconstitutional order, then yes they should be removed from office. Why is that so hard to comprehend??? You sound like an AI bot.”


                      But yet, this comment was let through by the other person;

                      “Sure you do. He’s your boy, taxi driver. Who tried (and failed) to assassinate Senator Gabby Gifford of Arizona in 2011 by shooting her in the face during a meet the people event. You are him. The subject is that you are a fanatic who supports overthrowing the government because he’s having a hissy fit. You are a lone wolf. And a terrorist. When the fbi shows up to your shack, make sure to reach for your waistband as fast as you can”


                      So directly calling someone an attempted murderer, a lone wolf, and a terrorist is ok, and telling me to get shot is ok, but saying someone sounds like an AI bot is not ok???? What in the world??? For context, he was saying I had a picture on my bathroom mirror of this guy that shot Gabby Gifford. I had no idea who this person was.

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                        #27
                        Originally posted by Artos View Post
                        This is straight up tyranny.

                        It's a 30 day test to see who will comply & who will snitch on their neighbor...if someone is fined / arrested then there very well could be a court date regardless of any timeline. I see lawsuits being filed on Monday by 2nd rights groups.

                        Some theories floating around where they Want this dragged out in the court system to reach a post 2024 scotus court that gets packed after they steal the election again...others feel they want to see how the compliance goes so the cdc or whatever swamp org can throw the constitution away & pull any control move they want at anytime for any reason. Can't say for sure, but it was Mass covid compliance that got them outta the gates & it's not gonna stop.

                        Make no mistake, this next election is all about changing the scotus so this kinda crap CAN reach the courts, become legal & throw the constitution away.

                        Hard to believe what I'm seeing here...a literal 30 day cancelation of constitutional rights for the sake of 'safety'. The gov should be seeing jail time. Clown show.




                        I agree this is just a test, it will have the snowball effect no doubt once it has been done. Other states and then an EO federally.

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                          #28
                          I didn't get a chance to read the article. Did she also suspend concealed carry or just open carry? I think if the state legislature had done this (but not eliminated concealed carry) it might have withstood judicial review. I think the part that makes it challengeable is the feigned claim of an emergency. TVC, what would you argue in court?

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                            #29
                            She suspended everything...for transport, the gun must be unloaded with a trigger lock in place.

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                              #30
                              Originally posted by Artos View Post
                              She suspended everything...for transport, the gun must be unloaded with a trigger lock in place.
                              Oh, dang. In that case it's clearly unconstitutional. Anyone being charged will be exonerated in the courts. But not without some legal fees. I wonder if she could be held liable for legal fees.

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