Not looking good for ken Paxton

[Calrob]

I see this from both sides. Yes, Paxton was duly elected. But we also are desperate for politicians to police themselves and root out corruption. We can’t have it both ways.

having said that, I think Paxton is a slime ball who would do illegal things in a heart beat, AND I think the RINOs are teaming up with Dems and playing politics.
the politicians win, the people lose no matter how this goes

I see it the same way, but what illegal thing has he been proven to have done? There is zero evidence of a crime or a wrongdoing. This whole impeachment is based on what someone says hes done.

[boy wonder]

I’ve watched a little bit and no witness describe a crime, seems to be a lot of speculation on what could have happened. The one dude that was really emotional and crying was a moron. He was upset that he had been described as a rogue employee, but claimed to be joking when his mocking of others was pointed out.

[ThisLadyHunts]

I see it the same way, but what illegal thing has he been proven to have done? There is zero evidence of a crime or a wrongdoing. This whole impeachment is based on what someone says hes done.

Yes. They are called witnesses.

[Calrob]

Yes. They are called witnesses.

I may have worded that wrong. Usually a "witness" was witness to a crime or coverup or some wrongdoing. These people are bringing up what they saw on the news.

[ThisLadyHunts]

I see it the same way, but what illegal thing has he been proven to have done? There is zero evidence of a crime or a wrongdoing. This whole impeachment is based on what someone says hes done.

Let's say you are right about this, at the very least, the AG is being accused of committing numerous ethical violations, and serious ones at that. Every state employee is required to go through ethics training, and they're required to do it annually. A test must be passed at the end of training and the results are submitted to the Texas Ethics Commission. In other words, the state of Texas takes ethical behavior seriously. Furthermore, the retention of the results of these tests means that no state employee (and this includes elected officials) can claim they didn't know any better.

All this is to say that this is not a criminal trial, this is an impeachment. If the accused is found guilty of a crime or other violations, the penalty is removal from office.

[Calrob]

Let's say you are right about this, at the very least, the AG is being accused of committing numerous ethical violations, and serious ones at that. Every state employee is required to go through ethics training, and they're required to do it annually. A test must be passed at the end of training and the results are submitted to the Texas Ethics Commission. In other words, the state of Texas takes ethical behavior seriously. Furthermore, the retention of the results of these tests means that no state employee (and this includes elected officials) can claim they didn't know any better.

All this is to say that this is not a criminal trial, this is an impeachment. If the accused is found guilty of a crime or other violations, the penalty is removal from office.

Understood, so, what evidence has been brought forward of any wrongdoing? Criminal, unethical or otherwise.

[Aetheling]

Let's say you are right about this, at the very least, the AG is being accused of committing numerous ethical violations, and serious ones at that. Every state employee is required to go through ethics training, and they're required to do it annually. A test must be passed at the end of training and the results are submitted to the Texas Ethics Commission. In other words, the state of Texas takes ethical behavior seriously. Furthermore, the retention of the results of these tests means that no state employee (and this includes elected officials) can claim they didn't know any better.

All this is to say that this is not a criminal trial, this is an impeachment. If the accused is found guilty of a crime or other violations, the penalty is removal from office.

Dont take this the wrong way as I hold you in very high regard but this line right here has me laughing out loud.

In other words, the state of Texas takes ethical behavior seriously. If you are referring to our government officials then……

From all I can tell this is a bunch of crooks trying a crook for the crime of being a crook. Its too much lol.

[tminc]

^^^^^^^
Good synopsis.

[ThisLadyHunts]

Understood, so, what evidence has been brought forward of any wrongdoing? Criminal, unethical or otherwise.

I haven't watched the proceedings so I couldn't say.


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[muzzlebrake]

I may have worded that wrong. Usually a "witness" was witness to a crime or coverup or some wrongdoing. These people are bringing up what they saw on the news.

or what the heard from someone. The little I have watched was 90% hearsay and opinion.

[ThisLadyHunts]

Dont take this the wrong way as I hold you in very high regard but this line right here has me laughing out loud.

In other words, the state of Texas takes ethical behavior seriously. If you are referring to our government officials then……

From all I can tell this is a bunch of crooks trying a crook for the crime of being a crook. Its too much lol.

I get it (chuckling). I worked for a legislative agency for over 20 years and, during that time, interacted significantly with employees of other agencies, and can attest that consciousness of ethics is a constant thing. That said, my agency was lead by a legislatively appointed director rather than an elected official so I can't offer first person observations about how seriously ethics are taken in offices of elected officials. I imagine it varies by office.

I'll add this…while this may be hard to believe, things are far different among the hallowed halls of state government than they were back in the 70s and 80s where it was the Wild, Wild West in terms of the the standards of ethics applied when spending “The Peoples'” money.


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[ThisLadyHunts]

Understood, so, what evidence has been brought forward of any wrongdoing? Criminal, unethical or otherwise.

I haven't watched the hearings so can't speak knowledgeably about the evidence. I haven't been particularly motivated to do so but, if I can make the time, I may go back and watch some so that I can be more specific in my responses (sigh).


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[glen]

Hearings bringing up shady business dealings- being a basic ****- and making $$$ from his position. Nothing “criminal” just what politicians do

[Aetheling]

I get it (chuckling). I worked for a legislative agency for over 20 years and, during that time, interacted significantly with employees of other agencies, and can attest that consciousness of ethics is a constant thing. That said, my agency was lead by a legislatively appointed director rather than an elected official so I can't offer first person observations about how seriously ethics are taken in offices of elected officials. I imagine it varies by office.

I'll add this…while this may be hard to believe, things are far different among the hallowed halls of state government than they were back in the 70s and 80s where it was the Wild, Wild West in terms of the the standards of ethics applied when spending “The Peoples'” money.


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Glad it still exists in some forms of government. Dont get me wrong as I have been through fairly extensive ethics training by the federal government. I held 4 different positions with the fed from enlisted military to Federal LE. Also held multiple clearances as high as NSA TS full BI so integrity/ethics standards were held high at least on paper but the higher in rank you follow the line begins to blur.

In the military there were many non coms and officers with zero honor (ethics) but they were far outweighed by people of honor.

Executive Federal Agencies are as unethical and crooked as you can imagine. You would be hard pressed to meet an 18 series employee that has NOT seen a good agent/officer get his/her life destroyed for political expediency while completely innocent. Optics is everything.

[ThisLadyHunts]

Glad it still exists in some forms of government. Dont get me wrong as I have been through fairly extensive ethics training by the federal government. I held 4 different positions with the fed from enlisted military to Federal LE. Also held multiple clearances as high as NSA TS full BI so integrity/ethics standards were held high at least on paper but the higher in rank you follow the line begins to blur.

In the military there were many non coms and officers with zero honor (ethics) but they were far outweighed by people of honor.

Executive Federal Agencies are as unethical and crooked as you can imagine. You would be hard pressed to meet an 18 series employee that has NOT seen a good agent/officer get his/her life destroyed for political expediency while completely innocent. Optics is everything.

You’re right, optics are everything. Sounds like you’ve seen a lot and you get it.