Who is in for Constitutional Carry for Texans

[Team Roper]

I believe every one should pass some form of grammar class and show proficiency with public speaking before the are allowed to exercise their first amendment rights and lets not forget to pay some form of tax with proof in the form of a government issued card that can be displayed upon demand by law enforcement. (Said with great sarcasm)

Absolutely Constitutional Carry Supporter Here.

[Clay C]

Ah OK, so you think semi-autos and "assault weapons" are completely safe and not under threat of unconstitutional limitations like other states have already passed? Got it. We'll disagree on that.
It blows my mind that 2A supporters will willingly draw lines in the sand and splinter the ranks of support they do have.
Don't miss the forest for the trees, bud.

I never said that isn't under threat. It certainly is. I'm just saying passing Constitutional Carry will not hurt us in that regard. If we continue to only play defense, we will continue to give up little by little. It is time we start taking some back as well.

So supporting more freedoms in regards to firearms is splitting the ranks of the 2A?

I want Susie Soccor Mom to be able to go out, buy a pistol, and carry it with her to protect herself against bad hombres. You want the same government that you admit could take our guns away to give her permission to do that

[az2tx]

I like the LTC only because I like to know that people carrying have had some sort of training..

You don't know they have the training you are only assuming that. That I would say is a very nieve assumption. Do you know that the people that carry without LTC have any kind of training? And those are the ones you might have to worry about.

LTC is a waste

[DRT]

So are there any statistics on who is being denied the right to carry not having constitutional carry?

Gary

All of us are. There should be no taxes, fees or hoops to jump through for one to exercise their constitutional rights.

I asked this question to get a real answer and what I get is a smart *** political slogan remark.

Everyone I know who is legally allowed to have a gun and wants to carry a gun does. Most of the people I know who have an LTC don't regularly carry on their person. I don't believe by spending the time and resources on pushing this through legislature it is going to increase the number of people who can and want to carry. I see the point of removing the restrictions from the constitutional stand point but doing so only in isolated states kind of waters down the meaning of it. It's the United States Constitution that has that amendment. The state of Texas, no matter how great it is, is still subject to all of the bs federal restrictions. Worrying about at the state level is but a drop in the ocean of the fight you need to win at the national level.

I'm more worried about the $30,000 in income taxes I paid last year than the $200 tax stamps I've bought for my NFA items or the fee I pay for my LTC. The fact that they take my money I worked for and spend it in ways I have no control over is a bigger infringement and impact on me than those other things.

If it were on the ballot I'd vote yes. If the state legislature decides to vote on it I'd say yes.

I guess I'm just not as angry about it as some of you folks.


Gary

[hunt247]

Lets get the Hearing Protection Act passed.

[Ironman]

So if all semi-auto weapons are classified as assault weapons and banned so the "keep" part of 2A is compromised, you're good with it if you can carry a double action revolver on your hip without a license?
For those that don't understand that effort spent on one thing means effort not available for something else, since I can carry open or concealed in this state right now, my priority is on protecting what is actually under threat... the right to keep certain arms as defined by statute.
It really is unfortunate that discussion, even on a forum of relatively like-minded folk like TBH, can't be had without devolving into ridiculous accusations and name calling-- adolescent stuff.
No wonder reasonable people in the middle have trouble getting on board. SMH

As stated, the "assault weapons" ban is being represented and fought by many organizations. Constitutional carry is the very definition of the 2nd. As far as name calling goes, I just repeated exactly what you said. SMH

[meltingfeather]

You want the same government that you admit could take our guns away to give her permission to do that

Huh? I never said I was against constitutional carry. I just think there are higher priorities.

In one post you said there are plenty of resources allocated to protecting against a ban and also that we are losing "little by little." Which is it?
We need to consolidate support and work on a different way to go about this if the demonstrated efforts are losing as you admit they are. We need leadership. White knuckled rhetoric is fragmenting support and alienating reasonable people.

As stated, the "assault weapons" ban is being represented and fought by many organizations. Constitutional carry is the very definition of the 2nd. As far as name calling goes, I just repeated exactly what you said. SMH

I wasn't referring to you directly so much as the general tone of this and other discussions on 2A rights. The sarcasm, name calling, and division between people on the same side of the fence is not doing responsible gun ownership any favors.

[Ironman]

Huh? I never said I was against constitutional carry. I just think there are higher priorities.


I wasn't referring to you directly so much as the general tone of this and other discussions on 2A rights. The sarcasm, name calling, and division between people on the same side of the fence is not doing responsible gun ownership any favors.

The only division I see is those against CC. I don't think those for CC are unaware of the other attacks on our 2A rights. As Clay stated, I think we should be more on the offensive to REGAIN some of what has been taken.

[harv418]

Fix my roads. Keep the lights on. Keep the wolf away from the door. Concentrate on letting me and mine pursue happiness and stay the &^%Y out of my life.

I never needed Government to hold my hand. We, as a people, need to get back to what our forefathers intended. And it will hurt to do so, but our prosperity as a nation, and our children's rights depend on just that.

Break it back to what they wrote. The right of the people to Keep and Bear Arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

[Thumper]

***News Flash**** ---Criminals don't follow laws. They are already carrying anyway.
But you did bring up another good argument FOR constitutional carry.

Why should I pay a tax to the state to protect myself from a car load of ms-13 members?

Yes they are and now they're legal, its really going to make it a lot harder on law enforcement. Its not going to be the couple of times you run into someone open carrying.

LWL's are screaming their heads off over this, then they're saying to themselves, give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves.

[Clay C]

Huh? I never said I was against constitutional carry. I just think there are higher priorities.

In one post you said there are plenty of resources allocated to protecting against a ban and also that we are losing "little by little." Which is it?
We need to consolidate support and work on a different way to go about this if the demonstrated efforts are losing as you admit they are. We need leadership. White knuckled rhetoric is fragmenting support and alienating reasonable people.


I wasn't referring to you directly so much as the general tone of this and other discussions on 2A rights. The sarcasm, name calling, and division between people on the same side of the fence is not doing responsible gun ownership any favors.

The two are not mutually exclusive. As I stated, the reason we are losing little by little is not due to lack of resources, it is because we are only playing defense. Also, a lot of 2nd amendment "supporters" don't practice what they preach. They line up after every shooting to say "well I don't need those semi autos to hunt deer with so good riddance". Heck, i've seen that on this very website. The NRA itself was lining up to support the bump stock ban.

Those are the people who divide us. As for this being insignificant, I don't see any pro or anti gun legislation as insignificant. If you look at states with the type of bans you and I are worried about they all started with minor, seemingly insignificant, measures. Often times erosion of carry rights.

I want every little bit of ground we can get back.

[Clay C]

Yes they are and now they're legal, its really going to make it a lot harder on law enforcement. Its not going to be the couple of times you run into someone open carrying.

LWL's are screaming their heads off over this, then they're saying to themselves, give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves.

Are all of these things you are concerned about issues in states with Constitutional Carry?

[Ironman]

Yes they are and now they're legal, its really going to make it a lot harder on law enforcement. Its not going to be the couple of times you run into someone open carrying.

LWL's are screaming their heads off over this, then they're saying to themselves, give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves.

What? Weren't you one of those saying there would be blood in the streets if OC passes?

I don't give a rats *** what LWL's think or say, when it comes to Constitutional rights. If it were up to them, there would be no constitution.

[Thumper]

What? Weren't you one of those saying there would be blood in the streets if OC passes?

I don't give a rats *** what LWL's think or say, when it comes to Constitutional rights. If it were up to them, there would be no constitution.

No, I'm the one that said it would make gun owners look like a bunch of goofy dumb asses. And it looks those that wanted open carry figured this out because you do see them open carrying.

Be carefull what you wish for.

[Pacman70]

When i created this thread, I expected it to go all over the place. For the most part it has been a spirited debate with various points of view. Me personally, i agree with post #10. This right was provided in 1791 to law abiding Americans. I also agree that this right has been chipped away at over the years. I also agree that most folks would rather conceal carry than open carry. The problem is (and always will be) the government trying to run everything in our lives. I also think that most on this forum would agree that the government should only have a very limited roll in ordinary Americans lives.
Keep our borders secure and stay out of my life.

Let the debate continue.