New kuiu rifle??

[Texans42]

You're right. And I could find a solid dozen that are HUGE in the precision and hunting rifle world to build a lot better for a lot less. 1 of 1 at that

Don't disagree, you are looking at it as an rifle you would buy as a tool,
That rifle isn't being marketed as a regular rifle it's a commissioned special edition of n a company started as technical clothing company for 50k plus sheep hunts for sheep slam type guys. From a business standpoint think he knows what he is doing.

[Drycreek3189]

If I'm spending $6,000 on a rifle, I'm not only drunk, I'm looking for a place to sleep, 'cause
I ain't going home !

[150class]

New kuiu rifle??

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[Cajun Blake]

Cool beans ...I've got Horizon, Beanland and Gap currently and had a host of other builders. Point still stands. Once a gun maker gets big and has a clientele they don't like parts delivery out side of action. Show up with a box of parts at a top MFG/smith and your are basically having to beg for a complete build. If you are that guy that doesn't it's becuase you are a friend or big customer they are going it as a favor.

Again their price is thier price just like XYZ home builder is this and abc is that. I've already said they are high but I don't think they are out of line especially with the current 100# serial cap.

Not your cup of tea? Cool, I get it. You aren't a GAP guy or Beanland or MW etc, you look for new little guys at a lower price point, where you can get them to used non marked up components that you found deals on. You are also a guy that doesn't like cooper, kimber etc because price points Is high for a production gun.

Nothing wrong with shopping for best deal with a new or really slow smith after all you apparently shopped 5 different states and builders. Again kuiu rifle isnt for me, but I can see why it's priced the way it is as limited run commissioned product. His Boswell rifles where 7400, now.....I thought that was a waste of money.

Why stereotype me if you have zero clue about my past history of custom rifles and gunsmiths - I've owned 2 dozen Cooper Rifles and bought my first in 1991 from Dan after he left Kimber. Still own three: 17 HeBee, 20 Killer Bee, and 257 Ackley Improved. I'm a small caliber aficionado who is addicted to precision accuracy. I designed my own custom 17 caliber cartridge which is more efficient than the 17 Remington; less powder, more velocity, and greater accuracy. Put myself through college and graduate school working in a gun shop, building rifles, and consulting on custom builds.

My GS's are located in 5 States b/c I chose to do business with some of the best rifle builders and benchrest gunsmiths in the country. If you're not familiar with these names , then research their history and accomplishments: Bob Brackney, Don Geraci, Speedy Gonzales, Kelbly's, Sid Goodling, Gene Davis, Terry Cross, Greg Tannel. I don't own any factory mass produced rifles, as all custom actions and custom builds... Nesika, Stolle, Farley, Borden, etc... Manners, McMillan, Jewell.

I totally respect George, Jon, and the guys at Horizon as their work speaks for itself along with their loyal following. Their rifles shoot. I've chosen my GS's because they build rifles that win competitions, their prices are within my budget, and lead time was 1-3 months.

this custom rifle was built in 2002 before most manufacturers had even begun production of the 17 HMR. It's my go to, jackrabbit rifle with farthest confirmed kill at 246 yds. Custom Finnfire action, 12 oz. Jewell trigger, Lilja barrel, match chamber.

[Landrover]

I am far from a gun guy but I seriously doubt that the "serious" sheep hunters I have met give a rats butt what it cost........just sayin!!!

[Texans42]

Why stereotype me if you have zero clue about my past history of custom rifles and gunsmiths - I've owned 2 dozen Cooper Rifles and bought my first in 1991 from Dan after he left Kimber. Still own three: 17 HeBee, 20 Killer Bee, and 257 Ackley Improved. I'm a small caliber aficionado who is addicted to precision accuracy. I designed my own custom 17 caliber cartridge which is more efficient than the 17 Remington; less powder, more velocity, and greater accuracy. Put myself through college and graduate school working in a gun shop, building rifles, and consulting on custom builds.

My GS's are located in 5 States b/c I chose to do business with some of the best rifle builders and benchrest gunsmiths in the country. If you're not familiar with these names , then research their history and accomplishments: Bob Brackney, Don Geraci, Speedy Gonzales, Kelbly's, Sid Goodling, Gene Davis, Terry Cross, Greg Tannel. I don't own any factory mass produced rifles, as all custom actions and custom builds... Nesika, Stolle, Farley, Borden, etc... Manners, McMillan, Jewell.

I totally respect George, Jon, and the guys at Horizon as their work speaks for itself along with their loyal following. Their rifles shoot. I've chosen my GS's because they build rifles that win competitions, their prices are within my budget, and lead time was 1-3 months.

this custom rifle was built in 2002 before most manufacturers had even begun production of the 17 HMR. It's my go to, jackrabbit rifle with farthest confirmed kill at 246 yds. Custom Finnfire action, 12 oz. Jewell trigger, Lilja barrel, match chamber.

My exact point, why don't you just use one maker?? Why change? Obviously I touched off a nerve and so be it. Again how many smiths will allow you to show up with a box of components and not up charge?? I'm sure none of George's or Jon's rifles have ever won a competition either, you may say you respect them but you aren't buying their guns because "yours" win competitions via your price point and your lead time... yours

If Jon and George don't meet your competition requirements at your price point requirements then I clearly see why you hold so much contempt For a limited edition type rifle specially made for Kuiu. Their market segment is not you.

Have a good day.

[Texans42]

I am far from a gun guy but I seriously doubt that the "serious" sheep hunters I have met give a rats butt what it cost........just sayin!!!

Nailed it!!! Thank you. 0-$50mil in 6 years. He knows his market segment that's for sure.

[texas shag]

My exact point, why don't you just use one maker?? Why change? Obviously I touched off a nerve and so be it. Again how many smiths will allow you to show up with a box of components and not up charge?? I'm sure none of George's or Jon's rifles have ever won a competition either, you may say you respect them but you aren't buying their guns because "yours" win competitions via your price point and your lead time... yours

If Jon and George don't meet your competition requirements at your price point requirements then I clearly see why you hold so much contempt For a limited edition type rifle specially made for Kuiu. Their market segment is not you.

Have a good day.

There is no doubt that they are marketing to specific crowd, but it isn't the guys who sheep hunt. The majority of those guys are 45+ years old and have a significant degree of wisdom about them when t comes to firearms and gear. Speaking in genearlities, those guys are also smart with their money, otherwise they couldn't afford to sheep hunt.

He is marketing to the crossfit millennials who aspire to sheep hunt, but can't afford to. They will buy his clothing and gun to "look the part" of a serious mountain hunter. And there is nothing wrong with that, he had capitalized on that market brilliantly.

But the discussion morphed into if this gun was worth that coin, and frankly it isn't to any seasoned hunter with knowledge of firearms and gunsmiths. Let's be frank, he is selling to a market of buffoons.

[Texans42]

There is no doubt that they are marketing to specific crowd, but it isn't the guys who sheep hunt. The majority of those guys are 45+ years old and have a significant degree of wisdom about them when t comes to firearms and gear. Speaking in genearlities, those guys are also smart with their money, otherwise they couldn't afford to sheep hunt.

He is marketing to the crossfit millennials who aspire to sheep hunt, but can't afford to. They will buy his clothing and gun to "look the part" of a serious mountain hunter. And there is nothing wrong with that, he had capitalized on that market brilliantly.

But the discussion morphed into if this gun was worth that coin, and frankly it isn't to any seasoned hunter with knowledge of firearms and gunsmiths. Let's be frank, he is selling to a market of buffoons.

It's only worth what Someone pays for it. His technical clothing is actually inline with most mountaining brands, but that a whole other discussion.


His sheep market is the 45+ crowd. They are the guys A) with enough points to draw those tags or B) enough money to buy. On top of that very few sub 30 can float couple thousand NR tags for sheep draws.

[JHT]

There is no doubt that they are marketing to specific crowd, but it isn't the guys who sheep hunt. The majority of those guys are 45+ years old and have a significant degree of wisdom about them when t comes to firearms and gear. Speaking in genearlities, those guys are also smart with their money, otherwise they couldn't afford to sheep hunt.

He is marketing to the crossfit millennials who aspire to sheep hunt, but can't afford to. They will buy his clothing and gun to "look the part" of a serious mountain hunter. And there is nothing wrong with that, he had capitalized on that market brilliantly.

But the discussion morphed into if this gun was worth that coin, and frankly it isn't to any seasoned hunter with knowledge of firearms and gunsmiths. Let's be frank, he is selling to a market of buffoons.

He must have gone to the same marketing seminar as the Yeti/Fidget Spinner guys.

[Landrover]

He must have gone to the same marketing seminar as the Yeti/Fidget Spinner guys.

I need to attend also. Congrats to the folks that can separate folks from their funds in droves!!!!

[texas shag]

It's only worth what Someone pays for it. His technical clothing is actually inline with most mountaining brands, but that a whole other discussion.


His sheep market is the 45+ crowd. They are the guys A) with enough points to draw those tags or B) enough money to buy. On top of that very few sub 30 can float couple thousand NR tags for sheep draws.

You will see a hell of a lot more of these in the elk mountains than you ever will in the sheep mountains.....

[trophy8]

Cool beans ...I've got Horizon, Beanland and Gap currently and had a host of other builders. Point still stands. Once a gun maker gets big and has a clientele they don't like parts delivery out side of action. Show up with a box of parts at a top MFG/smith and your are basically having to beg for a complete build. If you are that guy that doesn't it's becuase you are a friend or big customer they are going it as a favor.

Again their price is thier price just like XYZ home builder is this and abc is that. I've already said they are high but I don't think they are out of line especially with the current 100# serial cap.

Not your cup of tea? Cool, I get it. You aren't a GAP guy or Beanland or MW etc, you look for new little guys at a lower price point, where you can get them to used non marked up components that you found deals on. You are also a guy that doesn't like cooper, kimber etc because price points Is high for a production gun.

Nothing wrong with shopping for best deal with a new or really slow smith after all you apparently shopped 5 different states and builders. Again kuiu rifle isnt for me, but I can see why it's priced the way it is as limited run commissioned product. His Boswell rifles where 7400, now.....I thought that was a waste of money.

Horse ****. I can send a box to a ton of different builders and do just fine. You're not seeing some of the big name builders for what they are. Just like APR here on this sight, GA Precision in the PRS world, etc. They are more about marketing. Not saying they build crap. APR has sold a ton of rifles to tbh guys who don't have a clue about other builders etc. They want to support a sponsor and they are local. APR nailed it. It's treated them well. For years HCR catered to the ignorant rich man wanting a high end custom to show off. They build decent guns. But they charged a fortune to do minimal work on a factory gun and a guy could call it a custom. They nailed that market. I've owned a TON of rifles from tons of makers. If I wanted a GAP rifle I'd pick up the phone and there would be one at my buddies shop in a week. It has absolutely nothing to do about the best deal. I think George Gardner is an arrogant ***** and don't buy his stuff. I've owned bean land. SAC. Etc. I've owned limbers and higher end factory guns. I'll own a bunch more God willing. Some of the best smiths I've ever seen aren't big because they don't want to be. They don't care to do the marketing or deal with the everyday idiots. They know if they get big then they'll have to deal with guys that are the type that only buy for the name and not the performance. Guys that don't have a clue. More money then sense. That kuiu rifle isn't aimed at all the sheep hunters. I know a bunch of folks who sheep hunt. I can pretty well promise none of them have any interest in that rifle. Same guys own all the guns you assumed others don't. And many more. Some guys get their rocks off sucking on the tit folks like George just for the name. Some of us care more about performance and numbers in the field.

[Texans42]

You just said everything I said. O well. GAP or Beanland isn't worth or don't meet your price point in your mind. Nothing wrong with that, but doesn't mean those smiths sux, apparently their market price point is spot on because they aren't coming down on them and waits ain't getting shorter.

There are a lot more then 100 sheep tags a year so yelp I bet he isn't selling to all sheep hunters. If you have the financial ability to pursue an actual slam, then cost of any gun is nothing. In fact most shots will be well under 300, so it's not exactly competitive type shooting. If that's what someone wants to buy I find it funny that you two are getting so upset of someone saying yelp bet he sells all of his special editions at that price... lol

[Texans42]

You will see a hell of a lot more of these in the elk mountains than you ever will in the sheep mountains.....

Well BH's live side by side so don't disagree . But to Elk point, no it's a creed,(not saying creed isn't capable I'd have no second thoughts elk hunting with a creed)... think more people have a .30 mentality or at that price point push for a longer range type rig.