state code - use of deadly force

[Texas8point]

I was a stupid kid at one time....... I just don't think I could kill a 14/15 yr old kid for stealing change out of my truck.

However the moment he touches the door knob on the front door that's a game changer.

[Rancher830]

Read ALL of Texas Penal Code Chapter 9 then use Google and search case law pertaining to Use of force


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[kyle1974]

Don't leave valuables in your vehicle, and don't go shooting after the fact. There's no solid ground to prove your life was in danger, and like Curt said, your attorney would hate you after they saw this tread. Now, someone enters my property when I'm home, or makes me fear for my life, that's when my life is in danger. I'm not living with the repercussions of an itchy trigger finger.


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who said anything about hunting the guy down after the fact?

I want to know my rights, on my property, as it pertains to night time hours. If you go back and read what I said about these people. They are stealing garage door openers, and then coming back later to break into houses. Perhaps I should leave a 6 pack of coors on the hood for him as a welcoming present, since it's just a vehicle break in

as for leaving valuables in my car, I will be ****ed if I'm going to be blamed for the actions of a criminal. That is a seriously warped attitude that is somehow become a popular thing to say. Where else should I not leave items? my back yard? my boat? my garage? what if I leave my back door unlocked, and someone walks in and kills my family? is that my fault too because I should have locked the door? I realize that for many people you go to work, then come home. My truck is my office about half the time. It's not possible or realistic for me to empty the truck of valuables every time I make a stop somewhere.

I am absolutely sick of that type of attitude that "leaving something" somewhere somehow shifts blame away from the person that actually steals it.

[Mike Javi Cooper]

I am absolutely sick of that type of attitude that "leaving something" somewhere somehow shifts blame away from the person that actually steals it.

Actually in today's world and being a reasonably intelligent person, one must reason that if you leave anything of value in plain sight and unguarded... it will most likely be stolen..

So YES if you leave stuff where thieves can see it and take it, then YES you are responsible... Sad state of affairs, I know; but true nonetheless...

[kyle1974]

Actually in today's world and being a reasonably intelligent person, one must reason that if you leave anything of value in plain sight and unguarded... it will most likely be stolen..

So YES if you leave stuff where thieves can see it and take it, then YES you are responsible... Sad state of affairs, I know; but true nonetheless...

actually, a reasonable intelligent person realizes that it's still the criminal's fault.

a liberal mindset that blames everyone but the criminal is part of the decay of our society. I am getting a kick out of how some of you just admit defeat if someone steals out of your yard or vehicle, but the second they come across your front door, you turn into John J Rambo. sorry, but my line of delineation where I tolerate a thief has no bounds.

if you break the lock and get into my truck, there's no telling what you can find if you start digging around. flashlights, knives, tools, ammo... who knows. also, my garage isn't much different. as a matter of fact, a person could look through the window of my garage and see things laying around. now what?

[Mike Javi Cooper]

actually, a reasonable intelligent person realizes that it's still the criminal's fault.

a liberal mindset that blames everyone but the criminal is part of the decay of our society. I am getting a kick out of how some of you just admit defeat if someone steals out of your yard or vehicle, but the second they come across your front door, you turn into John J Rambo. sorry, but my line of delineation where I tolerate a thief has no bounds.

You misunderstand me... if the law would allow... I'd gladly supply the bullets to fix the problem.. but it don't change the fact that leaving stuff in plain sight and unguarded is just plain stupid and asking for it to get gone..

[kyle1974]

again. you look through a window in my house, there are all kinds of things in plain sight. that's a BS attitude, and I don't care how it's argued. theft is theft, and the fault lies with the thief.

[Texas276]

actually, a reasonable intelligent person realizes that it's still the criminal's fault.

I agree 100%, but it really doesn't matter who is at fault. If you leave valuables in your car and someone takes, it is still gone.....if it's your wallet, most likely you get to deal with someone stealing your identity, pretty sure you don't want to deal with that.. You have to use some forethought and protect your self from someone else's actions. Whether it is or isn't your fault for leaving it in there and someone taking it, its still gone.

I look at it like this, what can I do in life to make it simpler? Leaving valuables in my truck and getting it broken into and item stolen is a hassle I don't want to deal with. Fixing the window, fixing my identify, replacing items, yes, all a hassle. Sometimes you can's stop it from happening, but you can try to prevent it.

Just think about shooting someone breaking into you car. Talk about a hassle. Do they deserve it in my eyes, for sure. But will a jury of my peers see it that way, I don't know and it will be a real hassle. Not worth putting some scum in the ground. I don't have time for that or want to take the chance of going to jail.

I see you point about the garage door openers....that's a very big deal.
Now you need to make sure they can't get in via the garage doors if you know a opener was taken. Change the code, buy a whole new garage door opener. Problem solved, but that is the hassle for having a car broken into. Not your fault, but you have to deal with it. Were the doors unlocked on the vehicle. I think most break ins are opportunistic when folk leaves door unlocked.

If they threaten you or your family in some way, shoot them in the face so they die. If you catch them in your car, is whatever they are taking worth it? Your call. Not to me.

If I catch them in my house, or I feel my family or I am threatened, I am going to shoot them, end of story. That is worth it to me.

Just because you have a legal right doesn't mean it will end well for you.

Some may think I'm a wimp for not protecting my property, but I can't protect my family from jail. Property can be replaced, and it's not worth my freedom or will be put over my family.

[cgny27]

well this was a fun read...thanks everyone!!

[MKH]

actually, a reasonable intelligent person realizes that it's still the criminal's fault.

a liberal mindset that blames everyone but the criminal is part of the decay of our society. I am getting a kick out of how some of you just admit defeat if someone steals out of your yard or vehicle, but the second they come across your front door, you turn into John J Rambo. sorry, but my line of delineation where I tolerate a thief has no bounds.

if you break the lock and get into my truck, there's no telling what you can find if you start digging around. flashlights, knives, tools, ammo... who knows. also, my garage isn't much different. as a matter of fact, a person could look through the window of my garage and see things laying around. now what?

No where did anyone defend the criminal, to be clear. Nor is it admitting defeat when folks say that they're not killing someone over some items being stolen, nor is it a "liberal mindset." My dad was very clear with me as a kid while teaching me gun safety: the minute you pull that trigger on a person, your life changes forever, so be judicious. Same thing they teach you when you're getting your CHL.

There is a reason why all my stickers go on a toolbox and not the window of my vehicle - I am not going to advertise to people that if they break in, they're going to find a bow or a gun or a yeti. Leave a wallet on your console, and any LEO will tell you that is a mark for the criminals. Don't make yourself a mark. Lock your stuff up and put it away.

I get the feeling of being victimized - I've had my home burglarized when I wasn't home, and a separate incident was sexually assaulted. If you don't think I didn't wish harm upon that guy, you're wrong. Had I been carrying at the time, I can say I would have pulled the trigger. Was I ****** that they stole my stuff, yes. Am I pulling the trigger over a wallet when I'm not there? No.

You've received some great advice as to how to handle the issue with the investigation and the garage door. Good luck.




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[kyle1974]

for roughly the 17th time. at what point did I say I was going to find the guy and shoot him after the fact of stealing my wallet?

not to mention it was in fact, not in plain site, and in the center console.

a simple request of "where is the law for x" can certainly bring out the people who slept at a holiday inn last night.

also, I agree. I am not pulling the trigger over anything when I'm not there. that defies the basic laws of physics and the time/space continuum that I can't seem to overcome. LOL

[Ociun]

And was turning his life around and about to go to barber college or clown school


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Hahahahaaa!

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[El Forajido]

FYI.....you all talk too much.[emoji6]

A wise man once said

[meltingfeather]

There's no common sense in shooting somebody over stealing your wallet out of your car, no moral justification, and and no legal justification.

I hope none of you tough guys get a chance to find this out the hard way by ruining multiple lives, but that's your right... while you've still got it. The more that kind of extreme rhetoric gets thrown around, the more reasonable people are convinced that some gun control is reasonable... and down the slippery slope we go.

[meltingfeather]

FYI.....you all talk too much.[emoji6]

It won't look good when one of you gives somebody another belly button and some slick *** lawyer finds this thread.

You can leave off Waffle House and Valero and my answer is still "yes". People shouldn't steal other people's anything....ever. But hell, I think being stupid should be a capital offense. It's not....lucky for you.

curt, mirror. mirror, curt.