Shooting, Anyone else see this?

[Daniel75]

I almost wonder if she was charged just so that the evidence could not be released for a while and to appease the "entitled" mob who are demanding they see the evidence before the grand jury does.

It's political because of the other shooting they had with the 73 year old reserve officer and the flack they got from that. They don't want to appear they're doing nothing so they figured they would make an arrest and charge her, knowing they won't come close to a conviction, and it covers their butts. Same as the Baltimore 6, officers arrested to appease the mob and the American media. That's a pretty quick investigation.

[35remington]

She will be found not guilty but it won't matter. I guess Graham vs Connor means nothing to the talking heads and some other people.

What's the holding of that case?

I almost wonder if she was charged just so that the evidence could not be released for a while and to appease the "entitled" mob who are demanding they see the evidence before the grand jury does.

I agree. The cop who shot the cafeteria worker in Minnesota STILL hasn't been charged. This was really quick.

[CRM_95]

I almost wonder if she was charged just so that the evidence could not be released for a while and to appease the "entitled" mob who are demanding they see the evidence before the grand jury does.

I honestly can't say whether she would have been charged in the end or not, but I feel certain that the only reason she's charged this early on is because the DA is caving to pressure because of all the BS going on up there right now....

[UltraMax]

I honestly can't say whether she would have been charged in the end or not, but I feel certain that the only reason she's charged this early on is because the DA is caving to pressure because of all the BS going on up there right now....

Remember, a charge is just a charge, she'll still go before the grand jury.

[CRM_95]

Remember, a charge is just a charge, she'll still go before the grand jury.

Yep!! And if it actually goes to trial my money is on not guilty.

[Daniel75]

What's the holding of that case?




I agree. The cop who shot the cafeteria worker in Minnesota STILL hasn't been charged. This was really quick.

The holding of that case is that the SCOTUS determined that officers respond to" difficult and rapidly evolving situations and have to make split second decisions. Their actions have to be judged based on the information they had at the time, through the eyes of the officer and without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight."

In a nutshell^^^^

If you look at what she had, basically:
1. She believes the man to be on a substance, probably PCP (she's a drug recognition expert, which is a title given to officers after going through a very difficult class, to be able to determine in the field if someone is high on narcotics)
2. He would not initially show his hands to her and kept reaching in his left pocket, making her believe he was armed, she calls for backup and her partners expedite their response with lights and sirens.
3. She positions herself tactically with the patrol vehicle between her and the suspect and draws her gun, giving him multiple verbal commands to show his hands, which he raised them eventually but refused to get on his knees like she asked him to.
4. He starts walking towards the vehicle slowly as her partner arrives on scene and he draws his taser because she's got her gun. (One has lethal, the other has less lethal).

Everything to this point is textbook.

5. She still thinks he's armed or possibly armed and on PCP (which he was on PCP, but he wasn't armed) and he lowers his arms and reaches for the door or inside the window, depending on who you ask.
6. She fired, fearing he's going for a gun or weapon.

If you look at Graham vs Connor and she's going off the info she has, and she feared serious injury or death, there's no way she gets convicted. But her career is over, this will follow her everywhere for the rest of her life, her life is ruined on a decision she had to make in a split second because some a-hole decided to smoke PCP and live up to his previous arrest record of resisting lawful orders from a police officer. Now he's a martyr in a community that props up Mike Brown, Trayvon, Alton Sterling, etc. Let's name a roadway after him and maybe a park too. We'll call it The PCP Expressway. He shouldn't have had to die, I agree with that. I wish he'd have had a successful taser deployment before she fired the shot. But that man took his own life into his own hands when decided to be the angel dust king of Tulsa and then got on a public roadway, stopped for no apparent reason and then played chicken with a cop pointing a gun at him.

[systemnt]

I honestly can't say whether she would have been charged in the end or not, but I feel certain that the only reason she's charged this early on is because the DA is caving to pressure because of all the BS going on up there right now....

How'd that turn out for the DA in baltimore?


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[CRM_95]

How'd that turn out for the DA in baltimore?


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Yep. Hopefully it turns out the same way for this one.


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[tvc184]

I almost wonder if she was charged just so that the evidence could not be released for a while and to appease the "entitled" mob who are demanding they see the evidence before the grand jury does.

This is purely a scapegoat move.

She might even deserve charges according to the evidence at hand but the speed of it is almost stunning. If a person kills a police officer and there is a lot of evidence, charges aren't usually filed that fast.

This was to appease some people and to avoid a riot at the expense of an officer's job. Again, she might be guilty of something but it isn't the charges but the way it was done.

Like Daniel, I think she might be found not guilty but a lot depends on OK law.

[CRM_95]

The holding of that case is that the SCOTUS determined that officers respond to" difficult and rapidly evolving situations and have to make split second decisions. Their actions have to be judged based on the information they had at the time, through the eyes of the officer and without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight."



In a nutshell^^^^



If you look at what she had, basically:

1. She believes the man to be on a substance, probably PCP (she's a drug recognition expert, which is a title given to officers after going through a very difficult class, to be able to determine in the field if someone is high on narcotics)

2. He would not initially show his hands to her and kept reaching in his left pocket, making her believe he was armed, she calls for backup and her partners expedite their response with lights and sirens.

3. She positions herself tactically with the patrol vehicle between her and the suspect and draws her gun, giving him multiple verbal commands to show his hands, which he raised them eventually but refused to get on his knees like she asked him to.

4. He starts walking towards the vehicle slowly as her partner arrives on scene and he draws his taser because she's got her gun. (One has lethal, the other has less lethal).



Everything to this point is textbook.



5. She still thinks he's armed or possibly armed and on PCP (which he was on PCP, but he wasn't armed) and he lowers his arms and reaches for the door or inside the window, depending on who you ask.

6. She fired, fearing he's going for a gun or weapon.



If you look at Graham vs Connor and she's going off the info she has, and she feared serious injury or death, there's no way she gets convicted. But her career is over, this will follow her everywhere for the rest of her life, her life is ruined on a decision she had to make in a split second because some a-hole decided to smoke PCP and live up to his previous arrest record of resisting lawful orders from a police officer. Now he's a martyr in a community that props up Mike Brown, Trayvon, Alton Sterling, etc. Let's name a roadway after him and maybe a park too. We'll call it The PCP Expressway. He shouldn't have had to die, I agree with that. I wish he'd have had a successful taser deployment before she fired the shot. But that man took his own life into his own hands when decided to be the angel dust king of Tulsa and then got on a public roadway, stopped for no apparent reason and then played chicken with a cop pointing a gun at him.

Exactly!!


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[Daniel75]

This is purely a scapegoat move.

She might even deserve charges according to the evidence at hand but the speed of it is almost stunning. If a person kills a police officer and there is a lot of evidence, charges aren't usually filed that fast.

This was to appease some people and to avoid a riot at the expense of an officer's job. Again, she might be guilty of something but it isn't the charges but the way it was done.

Like Daniel, I think she might be found not guilty but a lot depends on OK law.

Did you read the way OK lists their first degree manslaughter charges? Doesn't seem like it would stick but what do I know. This is Baltimore all over again.

[RiverRat1]

The holding of that case is that the SCOTUS determined that officers respond to" difficult and rapidly evolving situations and have to make split second decisions. Their actions have to be judged based on the information they had at the time, through the eyes of the officer and without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight."

In a nutshell^^^^

If you look at what she had, basically:
1. She believes the man to be on a substance, probably PCP (she's a drug recognition expert, which is a title given to officers after going through a very difficult class, to be able to determine in the field if someone is high on narcotics)
2. He would not initially show his hands to her and kept reaching in his left pocket, making her believe he was armed, she calls for backup and her partners expedite their response with lights and sirens.
3. She positions herself tactically with the patrol vehicle between her and the suspect and draws her gun, giving him multiple verbal commands to show his hands, which he raised them eventually but refused to get on his knees like she asked him to.
4. He starts walking towards the vehicle slowly as her partner arrives on scene and he draws his taser because she's got her gun. (One has lethal, the other has less lethal).

Everything to this point is textbook.

5. She still thinks he's armed or possibly armed and on PCP (which he was on PCP, but he wasn't armed) and he lowers his arms and reaches for the door or inside the window, depending on who you ask.
6. She fired, fearing he's going for a gun or weapon.

If you look at Graham vs Connor and she's going off the info she has, and she feared serious injury or death, there's no way she gets convicted. But her career is over, this will follow her everywhere for the rest of her life, her life is ruined on a decision she had to make in a split second because some a-hole decided to smoke PCP and live up to his previous arrest record of resisting lawful orders from a police officer. Now he's a martyr in a community that props up Mike Brown, Trayvon, Alton Sterling, etc. Let's name a roadway after him and maybe a park too. We'll call it The PCP Expressway. He shouldn't have had to die, I agree with that. I wish he'd have had a successful taser deployment before she fired the shot. But that man took his own life into his own hands when decided to be the angel dust king of Tulsa and then got on a public roadway, stopped for no apparent reason and then played chicken with a cop pointing a gun at him.

Agree except I don't care that he was killed. And I think more Americans need to say they don't care instead of being quiet. I want to see someone being honest on TV saying screw that career criminal.

And it's a shame and hurts society when a good officers career gets ruined by BS political junk like this.

[wal1809]

i personally don't know what cops are trained to do but i was always told that you are only supposed to use lethal force if threatened or there is no other possibilities. I personally think too many of us jump to extreme side.

1. He was walking away you didn't need to shot him, maybe maybe not again i would live a cop to speak up and say what they are trained to do. I think i read the guy was tasered, why not do it again? I think i counted 5 cops

2. Others say shot the mf'er he deserves it for not obeying. What if you found out later the guy had hearing problems does he deserve to die then? I just can't believe some many of you guys think that ending a life when you watched a 2 min video is enough to make that decision.

To me the solution is for better training of our officers. Just like any of us on here that have open carry or concealed carry you have to hold yourself to a higher standard.

smh

[wal1809]

I retire from this lousy business in just a few short years. Yall can deal with this BS without me. Getting a warrant for that officer is flat out wrong. If the public is willing to run the officers over the coals, the public will have a hard time finding officers. Who wants to risk getting flamed on both sides of the fence. Not me, I did my time and you can have it.

[Dusty Britches]

I don't blame you for your feelings, wal1809. It wouldn't surprise me that most officers feel the same way.