Shooting, Anyone else see this?

[forest-hunter]

I have not seen this video and I dont think I will. I have seen too many videos where a person(usually black)is killed for not following orders perfectly. That's a human life someone's brother or son or father, how about if an unarmed man doesn't listen we tase him. I respect all life and I'm thankful to the animal that feeds our family. Good Luck this year and have a safe season!

[Dusty Britches]

.....I'm gonna stir the pot here and say the fact that it was a woman officer and a large black man is part of the problem. She was probably afraid to just go "handle" him without deadly force.

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You, Sir, are an idiot. That is flat insulting to all female LEO. Every female LEO I know could take on any thug in hand to hand. I have kin who is 4'6" tall and was considered the foremost expert of gang crime in Dallas before she retired. She was absolutely the most fearless person I've ever met and she was completely in control of every situation.

Her life is going to be a nightmare until this is resolved. If she is guilty then I hope the punishment fits the crime.....if she is found innocent her life will never be the same regardless.

Yes, if she is not guilty, she will still be punished.

[47]

This is purely a scapegoat move.

She might even deserve charges according to the evidence at hand but the speed of it is almost stunning. If a person kills a police officer and there is a lot of evidence, charges aren't usually filed that fast.

This was to appease some people and to avoid a riot at the expense of an officer's job. Again, she might be guilty of something but it isn't the charges but the way it was done.

Like Daniel, I think she might be found not guilty but a lot depends on OK law.

Placating the mob, only empowers and emboldens the mob.

[Buckshot-73]

Daniel, and TVC, Thank you for putting it in perspective for us.


Alwaysinshorts, it took me 3 times reading your post...

All I can say, is go do a couple of ride outs with your local PD. Or even Daniel... You will have a better understanding of their side. It will truly open your eyes.

[35remington]

The holding of that case is that the SCOTUS determined that officers respond to" difficult and rapidly evolving situations and have to make split second decisions. Their actions have to be judged based on the information they had at the time, through the eyes of the officer and without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight."



In a nutshell^^^^



If you look at what she had, basically:

1. She believes the man to be on a substance, probably PCP (she's a drug recognition expert, which is a title given to officers after going through a very difficult class, to be able to determine in the field if someone is high on narcotics)

2. He would not initially show his hands to her and kept reaching in his left pocket, making her believe he was armed, she calls for backup and her partners expedite their response with lights and sirens.

3. She positions herself tactically with the patrol vehicle between her and the suspect and draws her gun, giving him multiple verbal commands to show his hands, which he raised them eventually but refused to get on his knees like she asked him to.

4. He starts walking towards the vehicle slowly as her partner arrives on scene and he draws his taser because she's got her gun. (One has lethal, the other has less lethal).



Everything to this point is textbook.



5. She still thinks he's armed or possibly armed and on PCP (which he was on PCP, but he wasn't armed) and he lowers his arms and reaches for the door or inside the window, depending on who you ask.

6. She fired, fearing he's going for a gun or weapon.



If you look at Graham vs Connor and she's going off the info she has, and she feared serious injury or death, there's no way she gets convicted. But her career is over, this will follow her everywhere for the rest of her life, her life is ruined on a decision she had to make in a split second because some a-hole decided to smoke PCP and live up to his previous arrest record of resisting lawful orders from a police officer. Now he's a martyr in a community that props up Mike Brown, Trayvon, Alton Sterling, etc. Let's name a roadway after him and maybe a park too. We'll call it The PCP Expressway. He shouldn't have had to die, I agree with that. I wish he'd have had a successful taser deployment before she fired the shot. But that man took his own life into his own hands when decided to be the angel dust king of Tulsa and then got on a public roadway, stopped for no apparent reason and then played chicken with a cop pointing a gun at him.

Thanks that's helpful about the case. Unless you read something I haven't, there's not yet proof he was on PCP at the time. Finding PCP in the vehicle doesn't mean there's PCP in the bloodstream.

[Daniel75]

Thanks that's helpful about the case. Unless you read something I haven't, there's not yet proof he was on PCP at the time. Finding PCP in the vehicle doesn't mean there's PCP in the bloodstream.

I'm this line of work, we deal with clues and use critical thinking skills. His erratic behavior, the parking of a running vehicle in the middle of the roadway and the PCP vial found in his vehicle = he was on dope. Do I know for sure? Nope but I'd be willing to bet anyone on here $1000 right now, we can do PayPal, that his toxicology shows PCP in his system.

[35remington]

I'm this line of work, we deal with clues and use critical thinking skills. His erratic behavior, the parking of a running vehicle in the middle of the roadway and the PCP vial found in his vehicle = he was on dope. Do I know for sure? Nope but I'd be willing to bet anyone on here $1000 right now, we can do PayPal, that his toxicology shows PCP in his system.

That's fine. I'm just trying to distinguish fact from opinion. We'll get the toxicologist's report soon enough.

[bentstick]

Several Americans have died or been shot this year while following police orders. Doing the right thing does not guarantee your safety.

[Daniel75]

Several Americans have died or been shot this year while following police orders. Doing the right thing does not guarantee your safety.

Wearing your seatbelt doesn't guarantee you'll survive an accident but it greatly enhances it. Not smoking doesn't guarantee you won't have lung cancer but it greatly enhances your odds. Wearing a life jacket doesn't guarantee you won't drown but it greatly increases your odds of surviving an accident in the water. Wearing a condom doesn't guarantee you won't get a woman pregnant but it greatly decreases your odds.

See where I'm going with this? Does total compliance guarantee your safety? No, there are no guarantees in life. But it greatly increases your odds to almost nil of getting shot by the police if you comply with verbal commands. The number of people shot doing what they were told vs the people never shot after doing what they were told are astronomically different. What's the solution? No one obeys orders and we have anarchy? I never understand this argument.

[dope hunter]

Several Americans have died or been shot this year while following police orders. Doing the right thing does not guarantee your safety.

Examples?

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[tvc184]

Several Americans have died or been shot this year while following police orders. Doing the right thing does not guarantee your safety.

Can you point out the several Americans shot this year doing the right thing?

I am not being flippant. Do you really know of several cases or only putting out a rhetorical statement that some cops must be wrong so there must be some victims out there?

[dac6933]

[QUOTE=bentstick;11715588]Several Americans have died or been shot this year while following police orders. Doing the right thing does not guarantee your safety.[/QUOT

Waiting......and for a long time I'm thinking!

[35remington]

Can you point out the several Americans shot this year doing the right thing?



I am not being flippant. Do you really know of several cases or only putting out a rhetorical statement that some cops must be wrong so there must be some victims out there?

Again I will suggest the social worker who was sitting on the ground with the autistic guy and his toy truck.

[tvc184]

Again I will suggest the social worker who was sitting on the ground with the autistic guy and his toy truck.

One does not equate to several.

[Traildust]

One does not equate to several.

How many LEO were killed just doing their jobs? That's a stupid argument to bring to the table. I honestly don't believe that 1 LEO out of the thousands we have actually want to kill someone.