FOC does it matter

[enewman]

Hey Eric... you know what this chart is really telling you?


You should ditch the cams and start shooting a stickbow

Haha. I have been looking. Just can't get there yet.

[xman59]

Yes you can keep it simple. The benifit is for low poundage bows as mentioned and short draw.

It is not a fix all. It was just info I was sharing. We all have shot light fast arrows at one time or another. I lost a good deer with a 385 gn with muzzy head. Now I shoot a 480 to 560 gn arrow with efoc and two blade heads. I don't have a penetration problem anymore. Plus I'm a short draw

that should get the job done!

[xman59]

At 40 lbs. no problem. I just tested a 300 spine cut at 24.5 inch shot from a 67 lb apa m5. With 300 gn up front. It was just under 30% foc

At 20 yards shoot arrow 3 times. All in a 1 inch group

i like your bow, i have one!

[tradslam]

Foc is probably the most abused thing in archery right now. Other then the big 5, lighter weight shooters, the risk versus reward are minuscule.

[Mudslinger]

I thought you where coming to our area in June. What happen.

To much going on, had to change plans.

[troubldstranger]

I agree that there are thousands of animals killed every year with light weight, low foc arrows, but the argument for foc is all about when things don't go exactly as planned. It's for when you hit the shoulder or leg or direct side of a rib. This is not my video and I have no claim to it, and far from my favorite hunting video on the internet, but it is what convinced me of the need of that extra comfort of a foc arrow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So6sg3FJ7vg

That first shot is the thing of nightmares for any bowhunter and the second shot, when everything went right, was lethal. Same setup, but one has to wonder that if he had a foc setup, would the hunt have ended alot sooner?

Just some more food for thought

[enewman]

Foc is probably the most abused thing in archery right now. Other then the big 5, lighter weight shooters, the risk versus reward are minuscule.

Yes sir. But I have to disagree. There is a great reward. A recovers animal.

But thank you for your Imput.

[Rubberdown]

What the fawk is foc?

[enewman]

I agree that there are thousands of animals killed every year with light weight, low foc arrows, but the argument for foc is all about when things don't go exactly as planned. It's for when you hit the shoulder or leg or direct side of a rib. This is not my video and I have no claim to it, and far from my favorite hunting video on the internet, but it is what convinced me of the need of that extra comfort of a foc arrow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So6sg3FJ7vg

That first shot is the thing of nightmares for any bowhunter and the second shot, when everything went right, was lethal. Same setup, but one has to wonder that if he had a foc setup, would the hunt have ended alot sooner?

Just some more food for thought

Just my opinion. But that is going hunting for a big animal with the wrong set up. If this does not show people what happens with the incorrect set up. Then nothing will.

[Landrover]

Foc is probably the most abused thing in archery right now. Other then the big 5, lighter weight shooters, the risk versus reward are minuscule.

Huh? I have zero idea what your post means.

I agree that there are thousands of animals killed every year with light weight, low foc arrows, but the argument for foc is all about when things don't go exactly as planned. It's for when you hit the shoulder or leg or direct side of a rib. This is not my video and I have no claim to it, and far from my favorite hunting video on the internet, but it is what convinced me of the need of that extra comfort of a foc arrow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So6sg3FJ7vg

That first shot is the thing of nightmares for any bowhunter and the second shot, when everything went right, was lethal. Same setup, but one has to wonder that if he had a foc setup, would the hunt have ended alot sooner?

Just some more food for thought

many have seen my cape buffalo hunt. I hit him square in the shoulder bone.......the PH & trackers were shocked that it actually broke through and he was recovered. No fad at all........it matters when the shot aint perfect!

[enewman]

What the fawk is foc?

Foward of center. This is something I feel every archer should know, how to calculate it and what is needed for a great arrow performance.


Lots of good info on the internet about it.

[enewman]

In the archery world, F.O.C. stands for “front-of-center.” FOC describes the percentage of the arrow’s total weight that is located in the front half of the arrow. The more weight that is located in the front half of the arrow, the more forward is the arrow’s center-of-balance.

[175gr7.62]

I think the problem on that shot is the range they were shooting. As near as I can tell the time of flight on that arrow is 1.08 seconds. Just roughing some numbers out he was pushing 90yds. No one should expect to get good penetration on an elk shoulder at 30yds, much less 90.

I have no doubt that there are ways to increase the efficiency of our our bows but I personally feel its just dabbling in the details. Not knocking folks for playing with it but I don't think it's necessary. Kinda like the guys on here tweaking their deer rifle set-ups and worried about what bullets do at 6-700yds or asking about Barnes bullets for whitetail deer. A 100gr .244 Cor-Loct out of a 243 will kill every deer walking in America out to 300yds. It's fun to tinker but it isn't needed.

[Mudslinger]

Foc is probably the most abused thing in archery right now. Other then the big 5, lighter weight shooters, the risk versus reward are minuscule.

I am not sure if I need to disagree with this statement or not. Let me tell you my experiences over the last few years experimenting with FOC and heavier arrows.

Going from a 410 grain arrow to a 560 grain arrow by adding weight only to the front of my arrow and drastically increasing the FOC showed me 3 things when I tested arrow weights from 410 grains to 560 grains.
1st, when the 560 grain level was reached, the noise level of my bow upon the shot dropped drastically.
2nd, the forgiveness of form breaks or whatever when shooting increased for me especially at distances over 40 yards.
3rd, my accuracy at distances over 40 yards increased.

What I see and what I have read is that I would much rather have the front of my arrow (high FOC0 pulling the rest of the arrow through the flight of the arrow rather than the middle to rear of the arrow pushing the front through thes arrows flight.

To me increasing the FOC on my set up gave me enough positive and not a real negative to not go with a heavier arrow and higher FOC. When you get a quieter bow, bore forgiveness and better accuracy which in turn helps with your confidence, that to me is a no brainer. Why would I want to go back to the lighter, faster arrow when everything helps and my pin gap did not increase all that much. Again, just my observations and opinions and they were not miniscule!

[buckmastertexas]

Here is Easton's info on the subject matter.

http://www.eastonhunting.com/blog/what-is-f.o.c-and-how-does-it-affect-arrow-flight