Consequences for harvest mistakes on your lease?

[lovemylegacy]

Many of the management articles I have read lately have mentioned that if management is the "priority" then shooting nubbin bucks or 1.5 y/o spikes are much better to kill than a sub par 4.5 5.5 8 point

The one thing "managers" forget about nubbin bucks or fawn bucks is, a 100% of them relocate on average 1-5 miles from their birth place. The one exception is if his mother has been killed.

[LWD]

Depends on who you are and if we like you are not!

J/K Leigh.....

In the 20+ years I've been on my lease, there have only been a couple of problems. First was before I took over as lease manager, but the manager did call a couple of us to discuss the issue and it was decided to suspend the guy for a year. He was hunting another's member without permission and that particular morning he was in the other's stand and shot a 150 class buck and was dragging it out when the other hunter, who was late getting to the area, walked up on him.

The other was after I took over as lease manager and this guy would hunt during the week, bring uninvited guests out to hunt other's stands and was always bragging about shooting a 140 class buck but could never recover the deer. After he shot a small 4-point and claimed it was a spike, failed to tag and got caught by the GW, he was gone. No hard feelings on my part, but it had to be done.

But with all this said, it would be great to have a great lease where we could all manage the herd the way we would want to do so, but being low fence, other ranches having hunters, and everything else that goes into it, we all hunt because we enjoy the season, the fellowship and just being out in God's country. I personally haven't taken a deer in the past two years, and this may be year three. I've killed 100's of deer over my lifetime, but for past three seasons, just haven't seen anything that tickles my fancy. Not saying that I haven't passed on some good deer, but just not anything as of yet.

Not as far as pigs are concerned, I've killed 16 this season (since rifle season opened) and don't mind shooting that suckers at all.

I probably didn't help much with my post, but hey, its for my bud Leigh

Good news! With my cable puller the antlers made 13"!!!

[Pineywoods Paul]

The After being around "Trophy minded" hunting clubs / leases for over 30 years, I've noted several "trends":

1.Way too many hunters think the number of points on a buck is somehow indicative of his age or trophy value. Even after you enlighten them with literature and lecture them! I've seen too many future 160 class bucks killed at age 3.5 or 4.5 (some even younger) because they had 10 points or more and the hunter is ignorant regarding aging bucks. It's tragic. These guys pass up a 4.5 yr old 6 point cull to kill a 3.5 yr old 10 point.

2. Some repeat offenders have enough money that a $500 fine is not a deterrent. They shoot first and hope that the ground shrinkage won't cost them, but in the end it's no big deal to them.

3. Some members just have to kill a "trophy" buck every year whether they see one or not- to get their "money's worth". Usually same dudes who count points and conclude age from that somehow.

4. This one is toughest- some members conveniently "screw up" if the buck steps out in front of their kid. "It was a trophy to them" or "it's his personal best" is no excuse to exempt a member from the rules because he wants his kid to shoot a deer so bad. Then that same member gets put out when another member calls them out for breaking the harvest rules. Guys like that are in the wrong club usually. They want a family lease with liberal buck harvest rules when it comes to their kid- but forget that all the other members are passing on the same future trophies they encourage their kid to kill.

Members need to understand that once a buck like that is dead so is a huge part of the club' future value. His kid's gratification won't help the other paying members to replace that future trophy.

[CrookedArrow]

Last year we had a guy I had asked to join our group. He did not shoot anything he wasn"t suppose to, that we know of anyway.

It just got old him asking "can I shoot that one?", "Can my son take that one?". All were small young deer. We stated "No". He didn't come back due to personal issues. It worked out for him though, he was getting the boot.

It didn't take long to figure out he wasn't a good fit for the group. Compound this with him asking all the lease members to put a feeder up, move a blind etc. while he was gone to soccer games every weekend. Never again............

[Tbar]

Wasn't a rule this year but I think it going to be next year. Hunting rounds only!

Last week one of our guests was shooting FMJ's from his 270.

Killed 2 does out right and injured a 3rd with one shot. They found it after looking for two hours in the dark.

[DRT]

Wasn't a rule this year but I think it going to be next year. Hunting rounds only!



Last week one of our guests was shooting FMJ's from his 270.



Killed 2 does out right and injured a 3rd with one shot. They found it after looking for two hours in the dark.

I'd be just as concerned about the shot choices of waiting for the to line up regardless of bullet type. Sounds like someone not needed on any deer lease.

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[huntingtx]

Shoulder mount

All trophies should have to be shoulder mounted. Makes you think twice on the cost and having it forever

[DRT]

The one thing "managers" forget about nubbin bucks or fawn bucks is, a 100% of them relocate on average 1-5 miles from their birth place. The one exception is if his mother has been killed.

Not true. Often see last year's nubbin buck, now spike or fork yearling buck still hanging around momma and her this year's fawn.

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[SmTx]

Not true. Often see last year's nubbin buck, now spike or fork yearling buck still hanging around momma and her this year's fawn.

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From my observations it's about 2 1/2- 3 when they move on.

[asu-indian]

Haven’t had a problem in almost 20 years on our KS lease. Large acreage, one buck tag, great lease members.

[Abcdj]

We used to have some solid rules the first 14-15 years. Not many rules but basic ones that were good. Number of guest. Only shoot 6-7-8 points that were culls. Never a really good 8s over 140 for a guest. 1 trophy per family. We always had a "what if" a 170 comes out after you had shot a trophy.. well you get two trophies. It wasn't ever abused.

In the past 4-5 years it's all gone to what ever you feel like doing and shooting. Some do way more than others! Our big buck sightings are way down and some wonder why. It's been hard to understand and comprehend what some let go on now with the ones they are responsible for. Anyway, I would rather keep my long time friends friends than let deer hunting get in the way of that. It has already put a real strain on one friendship. For that I am sad. I am not letting it affect any others.

[texasdeerhunter]

Someone bumped a 7 year old thread…my “off the cuff” answer is what difference does it make as long as the deer is dead?

[PondPopper]

Wasn't a rule this year but I think it going to be next year. Hunting rounds only!

Last week one of our guests was shooting FMJ's from his 270.

Killed 2 does out right and injured a 3rd with one shot. They found it after looking for two hours in the dark.

This one is easy..

If someone is so uneducated about hunting that he or she needs to be told not to shoot deer with a FMJ bullet then they won't be hunting if I have anything to do with the final say.

They get to go back to square one and start over with homework assignments..

[Hogmauler]

Every member gets to kick him in da taint. If he can hunt by next year he’s good to go!

[boy wonder]

Just read this thread for the first time. It would be interesting to hear how things worked out for the OP. Did they implement rules and start killing 160+ bucks?