Kill to Save?

[systemnt]

In terms of the Oryx , the whack job Lady (not calling names...she really is a whack job) that was spear heading that entire campaign openly and publically stated she didnt care if the animals went extinct because it wasn't economically sound for ranchers to keep them - because then they would at least be free.

Look it up. its the truth.

That's the true adversary to this issue.. not people like Henry who are just asking questions and don't have all the information to be able to form an intelligent opinion.

[rossivey]

In terms of the Oryx , the whack job Lady (not calling names...she really is a whack job) that was spear heading that entire campaign openly and publically stated she didnt care if the animals went extinct because it wasn't economically sound for ranchers to keep them - because then they would at least be free.

Look it up. its the truth.

That's the true adversary to this issue.. not people like Henry who are just asking questions and don't have all the information to be able to form an intelligent opinion.

Priscilla Feral. President of Friends of Animals. Complete moron.

[Hardware]

Photo safaris don't offer the ability for high prices. I don't think anyone would be willing to pay 25,000 plus just to take a picture of an elephant or one of the other Big Five.

Do some research on the countries that have banned hunting and see what the animal populations have done in those countries. The short answer is they have been decimated by poaching.

[rossivey]

Photo safaris don't offer the ability for high prices. I don't think anyone would be willing to pay 25,000 plus just to take a picture of an elephant or one of the other Big Five.

Do some research on the countries that have banned hunting and see what the animal populations have done in those countries. The short answer is they have been decimated by poaching.

I don't understand the mentality of banning things to stop those things from happening.

Gun Control, prohibition, Hunting, drugs, etc.

CRIMINALS DON'T OBEY LAWS!!!!!

[JW]

Are there other ways to remove an older male, if he is in fact "past his prime" and still dominating younger males? I'm sure there is while at the same time enjoying it's existence.
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There is. You auction that old male off and raise a pile of money for the other black rhino's. What a concept full of common sense!!!

[MySRT8U]

I HIGHLY doubt selling it to a zoo would generate $350k. Plus, they kill 5 a year and no one cared until they sold a tag to the US. Please explain that to me.

[Bowhuntamistad]

Photo safaris don't offer the ability for high prices. I don't think anyone would be willing to pay 25,000 plus just to take a picture of an elephant or one of the other Big Five.

Do some research on the countries that have banned hunting and see what the animal populations have done in those countries. The short answer is they have been decimated by poaching.

This!!!

Hunters will always pay the higher price in conservation. I know a few photographers that would never be willing to go on Safari to photograph wildlife. They don't care enough to want to save the money or spend the time.


On the other hand....

I have myself, my sister, dad, wife, and about ten other friends that are actively researching and saving money towards African hunts. I am actually going to a wildlife banquet this Saturday and will be bidding on an African hunt...and will probably win it too


Big difference in drive towards wildlife. I know people say they care, but the proof is in the pudding.

[ItsLeo]

I just believe there are alternative ways to achieve the same results for this particular species.

Are there other ways to raise the money? Possibly

Are there other ways to remove an older male, if he is in fact "past his prime" and still dominating younger males? I'm sure there is while at the same time enjoying it's existence.

After all, animals are for all, not just hunters. The one sided argument that a, God forbid, "liberal" have any opinion on hunting is short sided.

Honestly, I would much rather see every dime raised spent on the remaining herd of 5000 animals versus one dime being spent protecting one animal that is detrimental to the herd. Any money spent saving this one animal is money that will not be used to benefit the rest of the herd.

Some rhinos kill rhinos. Some elephants kill elephants. Some lions kill lions. That's the facts of life for apex species. Even man's worse enemy is man.

Let's put it another way. Let say you raise horses. One horse kills another horse. No one will buy it. You can't even give it away. You can't afford to keep it separated from the others. What do you do with it? Do you sell all your other horses and keep this one alone? Or do you have that horse put down?

Even if this hunter who won the bid for this hunt has a change of heart or is unsuccessful. The Namibian government is still going to take this rhino out of the herd. This isn't about some guy going and shooting any random rhino he has a chance at. There are specific ones that need to be removed from the herd. Selling hunts for these specific rhinos is making the best of the situation where they will have to destroy the rhino anyway.

[txtrophy85]

I do not agree with the hypocrisy of killing and endangered animal under the guise of conservation.

If these animals are indeed endangered, then no amount of money is justified in killing it to raise money to protect them from what your doing in the first place.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ation-science/

then you don't understand true conservation or animals in general.

they are not killing a breeding member of the herd. they are hunting a geriatric bully that is a burden on the herd.

[killerbee]

Man, we're sunk if hunters don't even understand how wildlife conservation works. How will we ever expect to education the non-hunters if our own ranks don't know that basics? Forget about changing the minds of the emotional anti-hunters. Rational thought won't help them anyway. But surely we can educate ourselves and the rational-thinking non-hunters of the world.

I hope.

X2 Shane......

[Quality Hunt Co]

lol!

now look....we are trying to have an argument here.

this is no time for logic and common sense.

my dad used to say " dont try to confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up"

[Horitexan]

Far and away more examples of hunting conservationist saving a species from extinction than there are liberal anti hunters saving them.

Example: Dama Gazelle, Scimitar Horned Oryx, Elds Deer, Perre Davids deer and many more

THIS^^ is the explanation you need, if you're truly trying to understand.

Most "conservation" groups simply raise money that's spent on paying their own salaries and paying the salaries of big-time fund raisers. Very little money actually finds it's way to the animal(s) they claim to be "saving."

On the other hand, hunter-based conservation groups actually get enormous resources to the animals AND they sponsor successful captive breeding programs to ensure the survival of the species. The animals listed above are just SOME of the big successes.

Hunters have a tangible interest in the survival of game species world-wide. Sure, it's largely a self-interest, but it's far less fleeting than someone sitting in front of a TV who sees a commercial and says, "that's so sad! I'm going to call and donate $15." As a result, hunter based groups tend to put boots on the ground whereas other conservation groups just spend money on endless research, "community outreach," small projects and more advertising for donations.

[Extremehunter37]

THIS^^ is the explanation you need, if you're truly trying to understand.

Most "conservation" groups simply raise money that's spent on paying their own salaries and paying the salaries of big-time fund raisers. Very little money actually finds it's way to the animal(s) they claim to be "saving."

On the other hand, hunter-based conservation groups actually get enormous resources to the animals AND they sponsor successful captive breeding programs to ensure the survival of the species. The animals listed above are just SOME of the big successes.

Hunters have a tangible interest in the survival of game species world-wide. Sure, it's largely a self-interest, but it's far less fleeting than someone sitting in front of a TV who sees a commercial and says, "that's so sad! I'm going to call and donate $15." As a result, hunter based groups tend to put boots on the ground whereas other conservation groups just spend money on endless research, "community outreach," small projects and more advertising for donations.

I'm too stupid to say it like he said but I agree

[sharkhunter]

I do not agree with the hypocrisy of killing and endangered animal under the guise of conservation.

If these animals are indeed endangered, then no amount of money is justified in killing it to raise money to protect them from what your doing in the first place.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ation-science/

Oh Henry !

[thorshammer]

I think what you meant to say is "I do not understand"

I believe that is the quote of the thread.