Who is for open carry in Texas??

[Capstone]

For it as long as concealed is allowed as well.

[junkmanhunter]

And may I ask why you do not carry a weapon, but instead rely on others that do? I may have misunderstood you, if I did...please clarifiy..

Tuffbroadhead,

I hope I am not relying on others. Like I stated in an earlier post, I know myself better than anyone. Honestly I don't know if I could keep from pulling a gun on someone if I had it. Unfortunately I am the guy who it does not matter where I am or what i'm doing, I encounter the nuts..

You said it in your post, there are very few qualified and skilled people. I wouldn't trust half the LEO's in a hairy situation.

To clarify, I do carry a pistol with me when I travel or go on motorcycle trips. I just don't carry everyday. My job does not allow me to carry and half the places I do work for don't allow it. So to me, to not break the law it seems a bigger hassle than a convenience..
JMO..

[firemedic2105]

Last statistic I read said about 10% of LEO's killed were killed with their own weapon, that's not a great stat IMO. I've met cops over the years that the only time their weapons came out of the holster was when it was time to qualify once or twice a year. How many of us shoot way more than that? I know I do. I personally am not interested in open carry, but have no problem if others want to. I would personally like to see Texas use Arizona as a model for CHL laws, constitutional carry with an option CHL for reciprocity purposes.

[Outback77]

I'd be for the option

[BIG IRON]

Thats the problem with speculation, we can all do it but facts regarding cases like you referenced are not readly found, even by law enforcement.

I'm fixing to **** on feet once again, but lets face the facts there are VERY FEW skilled citizens/LE walking around. Case in point...last class I was at we removed three officers from the class due to not being on the level needed to safely continue, and that was on day three of a five day class. But to even think that Joe the average guy or Jane the average woman, can effectively push past the body's "flight or fight" response to effectively engage a target is naive in its own, it takes a lot of repetitive trainining to get past what the human body does in defense of itself..

And may I ask why you do not carry a weapon, but instead rely on others that do? I may have misunderstood you, if I did...please clarifiy..

Is someone less of a man if they do not carry? I'm not putting words in your keyboard but that seems like what you are saying.

To answer your question, let's look at your statement. You say that it takes lots of repetitive training to get past ect...
The average Joe doesn't have time to make that happen. Im just not that into it. I do,carry in my truck and have guns around the house that I can get to quickly. I just have never taken the time to get my CHL. It is down on my list.

[law1piv]

The sooner the better.



Ike

x2

[ZackM]

there are VERY FEW skilled citizens/LE walking around.

bingo.

I'm not about to tell anyone what they can or cannot do with their constitutional rights, but the arguments saying that we would all be safer and there would be less public shootings is a bit ridiculous. I served with guys who, in training, looked like they were born for violence, and then in combat they shut down and couldn't perform at all (or worse, their aim went out the window... Hello innocent bystanders). I've also served with guys who could barely hit a target on the range yet were stone cold killers when SHTF.

Hypothetical arguments about what you, or anyone else, may or may not do under fire are a true exercise in futility. Nothing is known until you are in the moment. And please, do not talk about how great of a shot you are at the range standing still under pristine conditions... Let someone take some shots at you, or worse those you love, then try and hit the target while moving for cover.

Not meaning to rant, but IMHO, emotional arguments about how people will be safer and how "the libs want to take our guns!!!" do absolutely nothing to secure our rights as law abiding citizens. Would I ever support anything that would limit our constitutional rights? Heck no (I'm extremely against the full auto laws as well) Do I trust the average person to be able to shoot true and not freak out and unload walls of lead with tunnel vision? Hardly.

Again, not bashing on anyone's beliefs either way, just my $.02.

[muttleymike]

Im for it

[Sparkles]

Idk Az is pretty screwed up now that they have OC.

[lameduck]

bingo.

I'm not about to tell anyone what they can or cannot do with their constitutional rights, but the arguments saying that we would all be safer and there would be less public shootings is a bit ridiculous. I served with guys who, in training, looked like they were born for violence, and then in combat they shut down and couldn't perform at all (or worse, their aim went out the window... Hello innocent bystanders). I've also served with guys who could barely hit a target on the range yet were stone cold killers when SHTF.

Hypothetical arguments about what you, or anyone else, may or may not do under fire are a true exercise in futility. Nothing is known until you are in the moment. And please, do not talk about how great of a shot you are at the range standing still under pristine conditions... Let someone take some shots at you, or worse those you love, then try and hit the target while moving for cover.

Not meaning to rant, but IMHO, emotional arguments about how people will be safer and how "the libs want to take our guns!!!" do absolutely nothing to secure our rights as law abiding citizens. Would I ever support anything that would limit our constitutional rights? Heck no (I'm extremely against the full auto laws as well) Do I trust the average person to be able to shoot true and not freak out and unload walls of lead with tunnel vision? Hardly.

Again, not bashing on anyone's beliefs either way, just my $.02.

Thanks for the post, and you are spot on.

[Tuffbroadhead]

Is someone less of a man if they do not carry? I'm not putting words in your keyboard but that seems like what you are saying.

To answer your question, let's look at your statement. You say that it takes lots of repetitive training to get past ect...
The average Joe doesn't have time to make that happen. Im just not that into it. I do,carry in my truck and have guns around the house that I can get to quickly. I just have never taken the time to get my CHL. It is down on my list.

LMAO!!! Are you serious??? I never said that, it was a question to what he said and I asked for clarity... he provided..

I provide classes to private companies and LEO"s , average joes and janes weekly that take the time to educate themselves...and to be honest until recently I only taught privately and would not teach civilians, but I chose to listen to friends and open up a bit.

What I stated has been proven via science..repetitive exposure to what happens in a "flight or fight " response is THE ONLY way to condition the human mind to counter act the adverse affects of what OUR OWN BODIES do in a life and death situation. You might not be aware of what the human body does, so take the time to look it up if you have time.

But in short a huge chemical process takes place, blood pressure goes up because our body forces flow to our major muscle groups and away from our core, breathing elevates, vision narrows (tunnel vision) and hearing also tends to be very selective. In truth our rational mind disengages, now please keep in mind these are facts...not a opinion. Next, how does science provide ways to counter act... you must force a student to work under pressure (via shot timers, loud noise Etc) also have the student do things to force blood pressure and breathing up, run a hundred yards, 25 plus push ups then get up and engage multiple targets in a set time...AND REMEMBER TO BREATH! Any combat instructor worth his stones will educate you on this and utilize these methods to force you to fail, so you learn and push past it.
So when it happens for real you are fully aware of what your body will do and how you can utilize that reaction to speed up your own OUDA loop thought process.
I would rather have one of my students fail on the range than on the street..

[BIG IRON]

LMAO!!! Are you serious??? I never said that, it was a question to what he said and I asked for clarity... he provided..

I provide classes to private companies and LEO"s , average joes and janes weekly that take the time to educate themselves...and to be honest until recently I only taught privately and would not teach civilians, but I chose to listen to friends and open up a bit.

What I stated has been proven via science..repetitive exposure to what happens in a "flight or fight " response is THE ONLY way to condition the human mind to counter act the adverse affects of what OUR OWN BODIES do in a life and death situation. You might not be aware of what the human body does, so take the time to look it up if you have time.

But in short a huge chemical process takes place, blood pressure goes up because our body forces flow to our major muscle groups and away from our core, breathing elevates, vision narrows (tunnel vision) and hearing also tends to be very selective. In truth our rational mind disengages, now please keep in mind these are facts...not a opinion. Next, how does science provide ways to counter act... you must force a student to work under pressure (via shot timers, loud noise Etc) also have the student do things to force blood pressure and breathing up, run a hundred yards, 25 plus push ups then get up and engage multiple targets in a set time...AND REMEMBER TO BREATH! Any combat instructor worth his stones will educate you on this and utilize these methods to force you to fail, so you learn and push past it.
So when it happens for real you are fully aware of what your body will do and how you can utilize that reaction to speed up your own OUDA loop thought process.
I would rather have one of my students fail on the range than on the street..

Disregard, captain . I took it differently than you meant it. The "depending on someone else" part was what provoked my question. I hope I never have to react in another situation that appears to be life or death.

[shadow hunter]

yep

You must still be able to carry concealed.

[DorothyNotKeegan]

LMAO!!! Are you serious??? I never said that, it was a question to what he said and I asked for clarity... he provided..

I provide classes to private companies and LEO"s , average joes and janes weekly that take the time to educate themselves...and to be honest until recently I only taught privately and would not teach civilians, but I chose to listen to friends and open up a bit.

What I stated has been proven via science..repetitive exposure to what happens in a "flight or fight " response is THE ONLY way to condition the human mind to counter act the adverse affects of what OUR OWN BODIES do in a life and death situation. You might not be aware of what the human body does, so take the time to look it up if you have time.

But in short a huge chemical process takes place, blood pressure goes up because our body forces flow to our major muscle groups and away from our core, breathing elevates, vision narrows (tunnel vision) and hearing also tends to be very selective. In truth our rational mind disengages, now please keep in mind these are facts...not a opinion. Next, how does science provide ways to counter act... you must force a student to work under pressure (via shot timers, loud noise Etc) also have the student do things to force blood pressure and breathing up, run a hundred yards, 25 plus push ups then get up and engage multiple targets in a set time...AND REMEMBER TO BREATH! Any combat instructor worth his stones will educate you on this and utilize these methods to force you to fail, so you learn and push past it.
So when it happens for real you are fully aware of what your body will do and how you can utilize that reaction to speed up your own OUDA loop thought process.
I would rather have one of my students fail on the range than on the street..

What classes do you teach?

[Cam-Mac]

Getting in on this one late, but once again a CHL/Open Carry thread doesnt disappoint! There's always a few experts.

To answer the OP question- i am for open carry being legal but i wont ever open carry.