Another NFL player commits suicide

[BowVista]

The Bible mentions six people who committed suicide (Judges 9:54; 1 Samuel 31:4-6; 2 Samuel 17:23; 1 Kings 16:18; Matthew 27:5). None of them were righteous, to say the least. The Bible nowhere explicitly states “it is a sin to commit suicide,” but the Bible does condemn murder (Exodus 20:13). Suicide is “self-murder,” therefore suicide is a sin since murder is a sin. Aside from the “do not commit murder” command, suicide is also sin for the following two reasons, one theological and one practical: (1) it is God and God alone who has the right to determine life and death, and (2) suicide reveals a belief that God is not powerful enough to help you solve your problems.

I never said it wasn't a sin. I said it doesn't give you an automatic ticket to hell. Your number 2 is true to some extent, but I could counter it with lots of things that most of us would be guilty of. For instance, do you believe in medicine? We could argue that some more, but if we're both Believers, it would be pretty pointless ultimately.

I knew Jesus when I hit the bottom thanks to a deep depression (that runs in my family...explain that part away with selfishness ), but like I said earlier - depression makes your head quit hearing your heart speak. I still know Jesus. I'm in NO way better than someone who does take their own life, but for some reason God kept me here. I was so irrational, that I didn't even consider the fact that sleeping pills put you to sleep when you take them one by one, rather than shutting your body down when you take a handful. It's deeper than you guys understand if you've never seen the pit of depression.

This thread has successfully been hijacked...sorry for my part in that.

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I love you, Will. As a brother in this journey, I'm glad your attempt was squashed. You have many jobs ahead of you.

As for the subject of the OP, many prayers for his family.

[BowVista]

I love you, Will. As a brother in this journey, I'm glad your attempt was squashed. You have many jobs ahead of you.

Right back at ya buddy! I'm glad as well obviously. VERY glad!

[Draco]

I'm glad your still with us BowVista. I like you even if I haven't met you.

[dragonsdaddy]

Well Im choosing to say:

Poor dude must had his hypothalamus rung to many times! Or had a lack of development in his hippocampus!

Feel for his family!

dude was a wr. they aren't the biggest hitters from all i've raised and worked with. sorry for the family that he was so selfish.

[Heckmonkey]

Alright guys this is awesome! The sadness of loss, has brought greatfulness for those living!

[Heckmonkey]

dude was a wr. they aren't the biggest hitters from all i've raised and worked with. sorry for the family that he was so selfish.

No but some take the hardest hits, hence hitting a defenseless receiver, or defensive secondary leading a hit w/ their heads, helmet to helmet? Or maybe u haven't worked w/ players like hines ward? From the sounds of it you are basing ur opinion off to much deion sanders film!

[deercrazy]

The decison to take one's own life is never a rational one. I used to be in the "suicide is the coward's way out" crowd until I had a few people really close to me end it in that way. People who commit suicide have often lost the ability to reason, usually due to depression. Until you have dealt with depression yourself or witnessed it with friends or loved ones, it is hard to understand. Prayers for his soul and for his family.

Yes sir. I do agree that taking your own life is wrong, sometimes people are screaming out for help. I have had to deal with this in my own personal life. Not me, but from my owen flesh and blood. I have had to fight hard to get to the base of the problem. I don't agree with suicide, but I feel for the family. We will never understand the pain one is going through to do this to themselves, and their loved one's.

[deercrazy]

Prayers for all

[JSF]

I wouldn't wish depression on my worst enemy .......it is a hellish torment that no one should have to endure ......my wife and i both have been diagnosed so i speak from experience but we have learned to lean on each other and it has made the quality of our lives go up drastically .....it's hard sometimes bc being two of us it can cause some stress but in the end there's nothing that can replace the fact that we each understand what the other feels and why.....sorry back on subject now....prayers up for the young mans family

[JSF]

While there is a behavorial component, chemical depression is real. Telling somebody who is truly clinically depressed to "suck it it up and snap out of it" is like saying the same thing to someone who has kidney disease.

Very good post.......anyone that has a diagnosed form of depression would love nothing more than to "suck it up" i can promise u...

[billfromtx]

The decison to take one's own life is never a rational one. I used to be in the "suicide is the coward's way out" crowd until I had a few people really close to me end it in that way. People who commit suicide have often lost the ability to reason, usually due to depression. Until you have dealt with depression yourself or witnessed it with friends or loved ones, it is hard to understand. Prayers for his soul and for his family.

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Agree

[Hooper]

My heart goes out to his family friends & team... Prayers for comfort & understanding... I wish for this young man that help could have reached him first permanent solution for a sometime temporary problem!

[tgridley]

Wow lots of ill will toward the suicidal! The bottom line is depression is more than just an emotion! It is linked often times to underlying brain disorders. Obviously, which is why the NFL is looking into the massive affects of concussions etc… However it goes beyond just that! One can be born with it, or one can suffer it through trauma, or it can be linked to chemical imbalances! It really is no diff than allot of brain disorders that have effects from memory loss, slurred speech, involuntary muscle control/spasms, to perhaps brain plaque in Alzheimer’s patients. Certain people DON’T have a choice; their brains are NOT developed to make the correct choice when it comes to even the most serious of decisions like suicide. What you or others consider to be rational may not have been the case with this individual. The more studying that goes into neuropsychology via scans/mri's etc… the more doctors are learning that these are serious issues especially in the area of cell development whether that be pre existing, post trauma (football or war vets), and the creation of new cells before, during, or after or lack there of... So although most would like to sit here and say he had a choice, that’s not always the case, especially in those suffering from depression caused by an underdeveloped or traumatized portion of the brain such as the hypothalamus or hippocampus. Bottom line, depression is more than just an emotion? It ultimately lead this man to end his life. Something to educate yourself on before making remarks like “I got no sympathy etc” which is the prime portion of the brain that leads one to also not have sympathy to commit suicide!

Lets kill pigs but love humanity! j/k

Sorry still not buying the NFL post hit stuff. You should'nt beleive everything you read. As I understand it, it is still just a spectulation and not yet proven. If this were the case you would have far more Boxers commiting suicide than football players, and it doesn't seem to be an issue in the boxing world.

I think what you have is some of the guys portrayed as having brain damage, is nothing more than guys that all of a sudden are wealthy and well known. (fame/fortune) And when they get into trouble or squander their money they have no way of returning to the lifestyle of the rich and famous and it ends in tragedy. Now you may argue that it causes them to be depressed and the depression is what caused them to commit suicide! Well it still come down to choices one makes. I am not completely sold on the depression theroy either.

I beleive in helping those who want to help themselfs and will do so, all others, sorry still no sympathy or compassion.

These are my opinions and for those of you that don't agree that is fine but feel free to PM me or stop by the ranch before you call me out by saying my comment is a classless act. If you want to be passive and compassionate that is your choice, if you don't that to is your choice.

[Heckmonkey]

Sorry still not buying the NFL post hit stuff. You should'nt beleive everything you read. As I understand it, it is still just a spectulation and not yet proven. If this were the case you would have far more Boxers commiting suicide than football players, and it doesn't seem to be an issue in the boxing world.

I think what you have is some of the guys portrayed as having brain damage, is nothing more than guys that all of a sudden are wealthy and well known. (fame/fortune) And when they get into trouble or squander their money they have no way of returning to the lifestyle of the rich and famous and it ends in tragedy. Now you may argue that it causes them to be depressed and the depression is what caused them to commit suicide! Well it still come down to choices one makes. I am not completely sold on the depression theroy either.

I beleive in helping those who want to help themselfs and will do so, all others, sorry still no sympathy or compassion.

These are my opinions and for those of you that don't agree that is fine but feel free to PM me or stop by the ranch before you call me out by saying my comment is a classless act. If you want to be passive and compassionate that is your choice, if you don't that to is your choice.

Although I don't disagree that you are entitled to your opinion. I do think it maybe a bit over the top asking folks to stop by ur ranch, unless u plan on having them over for some beer & a good meal, & I'm not talking a last supper?

Here is a list of boxers,
Arguello, Randy Turpin, Arturo Gatti, Freddie Mills, Darren Sutherland, Najai Turpin, Billy Collins Jr. Kid McCoy (Norman Shelby), Billy Papke, Gabriel Hernandez, Ernie Smith, Fred Bretonnel, Shelby Walker and Ricky Womack.

I'm going to be interested in the up & coming list of mma fighters. Like shelby walker