Tariffs are getting real

[justletmein]

You just can’t win, can you

Noooooooooooooooooooo. Why do you have to ruin my life!!!!???!?!?!?

[andre3k]

The biggest problem I see with bringing manufacturing back to the US is US citizens don't want factory jobs. Their not going to go work in a factory. Trades are desperate for people, and its a career you can make good money at, but there is a significant shortage of people in this country that will get off their *** and complete manual labor for a living. He'll most industries(Healthcare, teachers, truck drivers, pilots and on and on) can't find workers. We are sitting at a 4.2% unemployment rate. We need 100s of thousands of people to go work in factories at reasonable wages to keep the cost of production at a level american people can afford. We don't have the people to fill manufacturing jobs. So what are we going to do? Just bring immigrants in to fill/work these factory jobs.

Secondly, I don't care what political group you have voted for or supported iver the years. The reality is, the American people have voted with their $$ that they are fine with this global economy and doing business with China and other foreign countries. As a consumer we should have spent our $$ with american companies that produce american made goods but weve spent the last 30 years not supporting our own.

I agree. I spent some travelling throughout China in 2019 and their manufacturing capability is mind boggling. Factories are everywhere you look. I just can't see the US ever approaching China in the manufacturing of consumer retail goods. They have high rise apartments located close to the factories just so that workers don't have long commutes.

I also have family in Dodge City, KS where there are several large meat packing plants. Starting rates on the kill floor is $25/hr and the can't find enough Americans to work there. Dodge City now has a big Ethopioan population thats there just work work the meat packing plants. I truly belive the ship has sailed for American manufacturing of consumer goods simply due to our lack of work ethic.

[Tbar]

Like taking medicine...it sucks, but you get better afterwards. The tariffs are a temporary deal. When China drops its tariffs and trade barriers, Trump will do the same. Means to an end.

[RiverRat1]

The biggest problem I see with bringing manufacturing back to the US is US citizens don't want factory jobs. Their not going to go work in a factory. Trades are desperate for people, and its a career you can make good money at, but there is a significant shortage of people in this country that will get off their *** and complete manual labor for a living. He'll most industries(Healthcare, teachers, truck drivers, pilots and on and on) can't find workers. We are sitting at a 4.2% unemployment rate. We need 100s of thousands of people to go work in factories at reasonable wages to keep the cost of production at a level american people can afford. We don't have the people to fill manufacturing jobs. So what are we going to do? Just bring immigrants in to fill/work these factory jobs.

Secondly, I don't care what political group you have voted for or supported iver the years. The reality is, the American people have voted with their $$ that they are fine with this global economy and doing business with China and other foreign countries. As a consumer we should have spent our $$ with american companies that produce american made goods but weve spent the last 30 years not supporting our own.

We 100% have the people to fill those jobs. We just don't have people willing to work. That needs to be fixed. 4.2% unemployment is a joke. I doubt one single person believes that number.

[Death from Above]

Cause people are still buying them at the inflated price. Why would you drop your price if your sales aren’t dropping?

the question/point was in reference to that prices will drop when the tariff war is over...people stop buying and businesses will take note, just look at where automobile market is

[Gumbo Man]

We 100% have the people to fill those jobs. We just don't have people willing to work. That needs to be fixed. 4.2% unemployment is a joke. I doubt one single person believes that number.

Too much mailbox money for young people in this country. If you have an ingrown toenail you can get a check these days. There’s the problem.

[Greenheadless]

When the incentive not to work is equal to or better than working, you have a problem.

Hunger is a hell of a motivator.

[Death from Above]

When the incentive not to work is equal to or better than working, you have a problem.

Hunger is a hell of a motivator.

the answer is right here...the welfare state is anti manufacturing/economic stability

[Bayouboy]

Too many Americans have been programmed to live off of the govt. teats. Nothing pizzes me off more than to see a bunch of 20-30 year-olds walking the streets and hanging out throughout the week during regular work hours when many others are busting their azzes to feed their families.

Companies like Amazon and construction companies have been hiring for years. Just never enough applicants.

Handouts have destroyed the American work ethic. Mainly brought on by politicians looking for votes.

[Man]

I feel like there is a shift coming in the workforce. The notion that you need to go to a 4 year college and rack up 20 years worth of school loans is fading. (Especially going to elite colleges). They brought a lot of it on theirselves offering fictional degrees. Lots of trade schools popping up and seems like high school are also putting more of an emphasis on trades.

[ThisLadyHunts]

This is where I'm at. I'm still seeing price increases in the grocery store. There was a 30% jump at covid that never went back to normal and continual increases since and not this 3% crap the government keeps spewing.

It is one of the Universal Truths, temporary price increases are never temporary.

[TransPecos]

I voted for Trump all 3 times. I love what he has done on the border and the exposing/cutting of all the waste and corruption in our government. I’m under no illusion that the other side would have done anything other than continue us down the path to woke crazy town.

HOWEVER, someone needs to sit Trump down and explain how tariffs work. The “external revenue service” is a joke. Tariffs are paid by the US consumer, period. They are not targeted only against China, but against the whole world.

My problem is when the government starts picking winners and losers in the economy; I’ll use steel as an example.

Imposing a 25% duty on all imported steel (which Trump did in his first term in 2018) was designed to help the US domestic steel mills and workers. It did in fact artificially inflate prices and increase US mills’ market share. Great, he helped a few thousand workers and a handful of corporations. But EVERYONE in a downstream industry making metal buildings, 55 gallon drums, HVAC ductwork, warehouse shelving,etc. were hurt badly. One major steel door manufacturer in the US just laid off 110 people after this latest round of tariff silliness.

When the government starts choosing which industries win and which lose instead of the free market, we begin look a lot less like a democracy and more like a dictatorship…(China much?)

[Greenheadless]

I voted for Trump all 3 times. I love what he has done on the border and the exposing/cutting of all the waste and corruption in our government. I’m under no illusion that the other side would have done anything other than continue us down the path to woke crazy town.

HOWEVER, someone needs to sit Trump down and explain how tariffs work. The “external revenue service” is a joke. Tariffs are paid by the US consumer, period. They are not targeted only against China, but against the whole world.

My problem is when the government starts picking winners and losers in the economy; I’ll use steel as an example.

Imposing a 25% duty on all imported steel (which Trump did in his first term in 2018) was designed to help the US domestic steel mills and workers. It did in fact artificially inflate prices and increase US mills’ market share. Great, he helped a few thousand workers and a handful of corporations. But EVERYONE in a downstream industry making metal buildings, 55 gallon drums, HVAC ductwork, warehouse shelving,etc. were hurt badly. One major steel door manufacturer in the US just laid off 110 people after this latest round of tariff silliness.

When the government starts choosing which industries win and which lose instead of the free market, we begin look a lot less like a democracy and more like a dictatorship…(China much?)

So, having tariffs levied against the US is ok, but implementing a reciprocity policy is not?

[kyle1974]

the problem with the tariffs is that it doesn't just make foreign products more expensive, it's going to make US products more expensive.

I purchase a considerable amount of chinese products, and when the tariffs went to 145%, I stopped cold. It leveled the price of this particular product to almost the same price as it was to get the US made product. so the "easy" answer is just to buy american? not really.

do US manufacturers say., "that's great, just buy it from us now"? no. they said "due to increased demand on our products, there is a 15-20% price increase coming".

so now, it was either take something that was over double the cost I used to pay for the chinese product, or buy the american made product for an even higher price than it was 2 months ago.

The tariff field needed to be leveled off for certain. the US was being taken advantage of globally. but we aren't ready to absorb either the increased costs, or the increased demand from US manufactured products.

[Txhunter3000]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ This