Kaput feral hog poison

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Two main reasons come to my mind: first, because unlike other native and non-native species, they cause an economically significant amount of crop damage, and second, their propagation rate is exponentially higher such that in the not-too-distant future, they could edge out other native species.

People bitched and moaned about them until they found out how much northerners would pay to for a Texas trophy hog lease, tell ya little secret, LO don't really want to get rid of ALL of em

[RiverRat1]

Yea makes you wonder.
I know its supposed to be a special feeder or atleast one with like a 17lb lid they have to raise up to get to the bait.

We all know how lazy people are. Zero percent chance everyone that uses it applies it as directed.

Should consult Fauci on the topic for a strong, nonbiased, scientific and evidence based opinion.

I'm sincerly curious from landowners. Who here would be willing to give a truthful account of average yearly actual out of pocket cost feral hogs incur them? Not the "16 billion trillion zillion, yearly, blah blah" that's commonly reported. How much do they cost you v. whatever benefits you get from them? And who here would also share actual observed impact to native wildlife? Like, dead fawns, destroyed quail nest, etc...

Cattle cause 10x the damage as pigs here in SE San Saba County. Maybe once per every 3-5 years the pigs root up a field, the same field the biologist wanted me to by equipment to till up LOL. Never seen them impact other wildlife but??
So even if I never sold a pig hunt the actual impact is positive because I get to shoot them when I want.

[PondPopper]

We all know how lazy people are. Zero percent chance everyone that uses it applies it as directed.



Cattle cause 10x the damage as pigs here in SE San Saba County. Maybe once per every 3-5 years the pigs root up a field, the same field the biologist wanted me to by equipment to till up LOL. Never seen them impact other wildlife but??
So even if I never sold a pig hunt the actual impact is positive because I get to shoot them when I want.

They will definitely catch, kill and eat fawns and raid turkey nests or any other nesting critter. I am all for controlling the population, but this poison will wipe them completely out in areas that it is used in. I really do not want to see that, but I am afraid its coming.

[RiverRat1]

They will definitely catch, kill and eat fawns and raid turkey nests or any other nesting critter. I am all for controlling the population, but this poison will wipe them completely out in areas that it is used in.

He asked for LO observed impact. I've watched my land for 11 years now and have seen no impact but ended with ?? because just because I see no impact doesn't mean it's not there.

But to ignore people who watch their land closely that say they see no impact but instead only listen to people who scream pigs are taking over the world is pretty stupid.

I have no idea whether or not they’ve been here for 100 years. What I can state as fact is that they haven’t been on our place for nearly that long and we’ve only owned it for about 30 years. I can also attest to the fact that they only began proliferating noticeable and significant crop damage about 12 to 15 years ago, and that the damage they inflict is increasing in significance each year. My own “boots on the ground” observations coupled with those of almost every other land owner I know tells me that feral hogs as a pestilence are more than just “urban myth” (the plural of “anecdote” is “data,” after all).
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Fishermen swore carp were killing bass beds and would take over rivers and ruin fishing. TPWD finally gave up on killing them. They will eventually do the same thing with pigs.

The destruction amounts are exaggerated. All numbers of "loses" always are.

Why not take into account the areas that have had a few pigs for 20-40 years but yet still have just a few pigs? Why have they not "multiplied" and taken over? Lago Vista, Lake Georgetown, Mills County, San Saba (at least the southern part), outside of Leander as a few examples.

I'm not saying they do no damage to crops (like in Granger area) but they've had pigs now for 40+ years. It's not like a farmer isn't adapted yet to them.

I think most people get a lease/buy property and it's a drought year so there are only a few pigs. Then once it greens up on a rainy year or two see the pig population explode and so it's set in stone they are taking over....But once the next drought hits the numbers tank but that data is never talked about. Why would it be when it doesn't gain anything?

[Calrob]

I have no idea whether or not they’ve been here for 100 years. What I can state as fact is that they haven’t been on our place for nearly that long and we’ve only owned it for about 30 years. I can also attest to the fact that they only began proliferating noticeable and significant crop damage about 12 to 15 years ago, and that the damage they inflict is increasing in significance each year. My own “boots on the ground” observations coupled with those of almost every other land owner I know tells me that feral hogs as a pestilence are more than just “urban myth” (the plural of “anecdote” is “data,” after all).

As for whether or not I’m willing to poison my crops in order to kill these feral pigs, of course not! I’ve never implied otherwise.

At the end of the day, they are a pestilence and a problem that I think needs to be addressed. And, like anyone who strives to be a good steward of the flora and fauna they are blessed with overseeing, I don’t want the eradication of one problem to spawn the rise of another. But I have faith in the science. There’s a way to address this problem, ethically and responsibly, we just have to figure it out.

But to simply ignore the issue, to allow them to continue to multiply unchecked, is not a responsible solution.

1, they've been here hundreds of years and havent wiped out a native species.
2, and this isnt pointed at you necessarily, I would wager that that people seeing the population gain over the last 20 years are probably folks on small acreage surrounded by land being developed. The hogs arent multiplying that fast, they are relocating.

My biggest problem is that folks that want to poison the hogs dont know the history of government poison programs. If you want to poison them, keep em on your land. I work really hard to eat clean, we dont buy much at the store, we raise most our own food and catch or kill what we dont raise. And history, not science is my indicator, this gov poison program will end just like the rest of em.

[Patriot-2000]

Not everyone is going to find every dead hog .. and will probably let them lie where they drop dead ..let alone dig a hole and bury them.. I see some Serious Legal issues coming because violating a Pesticide lable is a Federal offense .. Plus if. The hog wonders on someone else's land that don't support this ..Serious Law suit.
I think it wasn't thought out very well and the application of this Pesticide needs some serious restrictions and further research .. Bias research isn't good

[Calrob]

Not everyone is going to find every dead hog .. and will probably let them lie where they drop dead ..let alone dig a hole and bury them.. I see some Serious Legal issues coming because violating a Pesticide lable is a Federal offense .. Plus if. The hog wonders on someone else's land that don't support this ..Serious Law suit.
I think it wasn't thought out very well and the application of this Pesticide needs some serious restrictions and further research .. Bias research isn't good

I agree and Ill go further that locating and burying the hogs isnt a good idea either. You'd need to locate and burn them pretty much immediately.
Years ago I was in Wyoming working cows for a large outfit. It was a particularly bad year for flies, this old rancher had some old pesticide that wasnt used much anymore. He had us spraying the cows with it. Something like 1200 head that day we ran through these pens. Before we were through, flies were dying. By the time we got done it was like walking through a pasture solid with cow ****, dead flies an inch deep. Once done, we moved cows out, loaded pens up and left. The next morning, checking water, I rode past where we worked those cows and there must have been 1000 black birds, dead. From eating the flies. Scariest thing I ever saw. That next spring grass wouldnt even grow where those pens were.
Not exactly the same as warfarin, but it could be just as devestating.

[dclifton]

Not everyone is going to find every dead hog .. and will probably let them lie where they drop dead ..let alone dig a hole and bury them.. I see some Serious Legal issues coming because violating a Pesticide lable is a Federal offense .. Plus if. The hog wonders on someone else's land that don't support this ..Serious Law suit.
I think it wasn't thought out very well and the application of this Pesticide needs some serious restrictions and further research .. Bias research isn't good

I dont think it will get that out of hand. Plus it may be federal but whos going to run around enforcing it. I think it will die in the market like other things. Rat bait has way more warfarin in it then this stuff. Granted i get not much running around eating rats.

Ill be curious to see if buzzards will eat the pigs. I know we have medicated some cows to the point buzzards wouldnt eat them.

[BrandonA]

He asked for LO observed impact. I've watched my land for 11 years now and have seen no impact but ended with ?? because just because I see no impact doesn't mean it's not there.

But to ignore people who watch their land closely that say they see no impact but instead only listen to people who scream pigs are taking over the world is pretty stupid.


Fishermen swore carp were killing bass beds and would take over rivers and ruin fishing. TPWD finally gave up on killing them. They will eventually do the same thing with pigs.

The destruction amounts are exaggerated. All numbers of "loses" always are.

Why not take into account the areas that have had a few pigs for 20-40 years but yet still have just a few pigs? Why have they not "multiplied" and taken over? Lago Vista, Lake Georgetown, Mills County, San Saba (at least the southern part), outside of Leander as a few examples.

I'm not saying they do no damage to crops (like in Granger area) but they've had pigs now for 40+ years. It's not like a farmer isn't adapted yet to them.

I think most people get a lease/buy property and it's a drought year so there are only a few pigs. Then once it greens up on a rainy year or two see the pig population explode and so it's set in stone they are taking over....But once the next drought hits the numbers tank but that data is never talked about. Why would it be when it doesn't gain anything?

I can tell you on our place in MIlls county on the Colorado they have caused damage and I would like to kill every **** one of them and let the buzzards feast.

[Sasqy]

The stuffs called Kaput !
German name, German motto.
Hmmm ?
I’ll pass

[HogHunter34]

The stuffs called Kaput !
German name, German motto.
Hmmm ?
I’ll pass

In German it's kaputt meaning broken

I'll say this I can certainly understand the landowners with agricultural or hay production focus they can tear up some acreage and make it unsafe in some conditions on a tractor hitting areas that are rooted deep and hard to see with taller grass from old root holes.
However, my homeplace was pretty much heavy timber with bottom land and we have had them on our place since 1993 and other than the typical rooted areas here and there they have not done much beyond that. I'm sure they have killed some fawns and such but they have not been overwhelmingly destructive. I've hammered plenty and shot some with my bow.

[Man]

I haven't read all 5 pages and this has probably been brought up already, but I don't want to shoot and feed my family a hog that has just been poisoned.
"Government" and "safe poisen" is a bad combination. They should financially incentivize and encourage the safe eradication of hogs by hunters and trappers if they truly care that much about this.

[98ag]

I haven't read all 5 pages and this has probably been brought up already, but I don't want to shoot and feed my family a hog that has just been poisoned.
"Government" and "safe poisen" is a bad combination. They should financially incentivize and encourage the safe eradication of hogs by hunters and trappers if they truly care that much about this.

This is the problem! There are a lot of casual hunters that will not know that this poison is even on the market. Someone will clean one and have no idea why the meat is blue. It might be their very first pig and have nothing to compare it with. Someone will eat one and then we will see how the lawsuits work. I wouldn't want to put it out based on the liability alone. What if the blue die has not had time to take effect.

[Man]

I haven't read all 5 pages and this has probably been brought up already, but I don't want to shoot and feed my family a hog that has just been poisoned.
"Government" and "safe poisen" is a bad combination. They should financially incentivize and encourage the safe eradication of hogs by hunters and trappers if they truly care that much about this.

I see that it turns the meat blue for easy identification of infected pig, but still reading the Ag report further it doesn't really appear that this is a safe substance as its being sold as. I saw where they had javelina come into the control pen and eat some, but it was quickly removed once the javelina on camera were seen so how can they conclude it would not have been toxic if the javelina continued to return and eat it? In the same article it also states that this warafin is already in use for rodent control.

[bboswell]

This is the problem! There are a lot of casual hunters that will not know that this poison is even on the market. Someone will clean one and have no idea why the meat is blue. It might be their very first pig and have nothing to compare it with. Someone will eat one and then we will see how the lawsuits work. I wouldn't want to put it out based on the liability alone. What if the blue die has not had time to take effect.

if someone eats ANYTHING with blue meat then they deserve what they get!