Kaput feral hog poison

[camoclad]

Allow me to clarify my position. Im not in favor of allowing unchecked feral hogs to run rampant. Landowners should manage or eliminate them as they see fit, and that's not up for debate.

The real issue I think this thread is addressing is whether the damage caused by feral hogs justifies using a broad-spectrum poison that is also dangerous to humans and other critters. I don't think it does. The research supporting this approach seems biased and leads to inaccurate conclusions. For example, in the link provided it states, A 2021 Texas study claims individual producers can face costs of over $200,000 annually due to hogs. This figure seems exaggerated and designed to create a biased viewpoint.

However, I can't be certain of this. I'm interested in conducting my own research and would appreciate if any landowners could share their actual numbers. There are some folks on this forum with significant land holdings and operations.

[RiverRat1]

This is the govs "research". I say it's bullsh

I'm sure some will agree gov. numbers are all BS...except this report LOL. People are amazing how they can do that.

[RiverRat1]

Allow me to clarify my position. Im not in favor of allowing unchecked feral hogs to run rampant. Landowners should manage or eliminate them as they see fit, and that's not up for debate.

The real issue I think this thread is addressing is whether the damage caused by feral hogs justifies using a broad-spectrum poison that is also dangerous to humans and other critters. I don't think it does. The research supporting this approach seems biased and leads to inaccurate conclusions. For example, in the link provided it states, A 2021 Texas study claims individual producers can face costs of over $200,000 annually due to hogs. This figure seems exaggerated and designed to create a biased viewpoint.

However, I can't be certain of this. I'm interested in conducting my own research and would appreciate if any landowners could share their actual numbers. There are some folks on this forum with significant land holdings and operations.

The real issue is hypocritical people. You can bet your hunting lease if you mentioned poison for anything these people like or didn't hate they'd absolutely lose their minds. But since it's pigs some don't care and say use it!

I agree with the bolded also.

Of course the numbers are exaggerated. For cases like this they always are.
You won't get real numbers of actual but you'll continue to get lots of opinions. I know a few landowners on TBH besides me that say they cause zero financial damages. Most stopped reading threads like this because people have watched too much bull carp TV and actually believe the garbage about these destructive pigs that will attack you in the night, kill you, and then sell your ranch. LOL Oh and multiple 3x each year. I guess people are not good at math since I've read that for over 20 years now.

[PondPopper]

I'm sure some will agree gov. numbers are all BS...except this report LOL. People are amazing how they can do that.

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[Dusty Britches]

I was at the co-op the other day talking to Dr. Bill. He said they have 2 pallets and have not sold hardly any since it came out. He said the thing is, private applicators need to take a 4 hour course on it. And you must use a weighted door feeder to keep the raccoons out. You can buy Kaput's partner's feeder for $700 or build your own. And then you have to bait it with non-toxic for 3-4 weeks.

The amount needed to kill a hog is about 4 - 5 times less than needed to make anything else sick. If a hog eats a little bit, his fat will turn royal blue within 2 hours, even if he didn't eat a lethal amount. Rat bait is not at all harmful to birds, but like a cat that eats a poisoned rat's stomach contents, predators can eat it directly. But, it is in such small amounts that it won't even kill a rat. That is the toxicity level of the poison to hogs.

But, people are not buying the poison. I kill a lot of hogs in my traps and Dr. Bill asked me why I wasn't interested. I laughed and said my trap has been very effective for my area and people eat every hog I shoot.

[Philip-TX]

Does the non-toxic feed training include teaching the hog not to spill it outside of the heavy feed lid?

[camoclad]

I'm sure some will agree gov. numbers are all BS...except this report LOL. People are amazing how they can do that.

Haha, apt.

https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1800150595929767972

[PondPopper]

I was at the co-op the other day talking to Dr. Bill. He said they have 2 pallets and have not sold hardly any since it came out. He said the thing is, private applicators need to take a 4 hour course on it. And you must use a weighted door feeder to keep the raccoons out. You can buy Kaput's partner's feeder for $700 or build your own. And then you have to bait it with non-toxic for 3-4 weeks.

The amount needed to kill a hog is about 4 - 5 times less than needed to make anything else sick. If a hog eats a little bit, his fat will turn royal blue within 2 hours, even if he didn't eat a lethal amount. Rat bait is not at all harmful to birds, but like a cat that eats a poisoned rat's stomach contents, predators can eat it directly. But, it is in such small amounts that it won't even kill a rat. That is the toxicity level of the poison to hogs.

But, people are not buying the poison. I kill a lot of hogs in my traps and Dr. Bill asked me why I wasn't interested. I laughed and said my trap has been very effective for my area and people eat every hog I shoot.

Now this is good to hear. Maybe there's still hope.

This KILL EVERYTHING mentality is getting a bit ridiculous.

[Dusty Britches]

Now this is good to hear. Maybe there's still hope.

This KILL EVERYTHING .....

No, it won't. There's such a small amount it is a wonder why buyers need an applicators license. Most of the controls are in place to make people feel safe and put hog hunters at ease.

[ThisLadyHunts]

I was at the co-op the other day talking to Dr. Bill. He said they have 2 pallets and have not sold hardly any since it came out. He said the thing is, private applicators need to take a 4 hour course on it. And you must use a weighted door feeder to keep the raccoons out. You can buy Kaput's partner's feeder for $700 or build your own. And then you have to bait it with non-toxic for 3-4 weeks.

The amount needed to kill a hog is about 4 - 5 times less than needed to make anything else sick. If a hog eats a little bit, his fat will turn royal blue within 2 hours, even if he didn't eat a lethal amount. Rat bait is not at all harmful to birds, but like a cat that eats a poisoned rat's stomach contents, predators can eat it directly. But, it is in such small amounts that it won't even kill a rat. That is the toxicity level of the poison to hogs.

But, people are not buying the poison. I kill a lot of hogs in my traps and Dr. Bill asked me why I wasn't interested. I laughed and said my trap has been very effective for my area and people eat every hog I shoot.

This is good information, Tracey, thanks for sharing. The contextual information Dr. Bill gave you is good to know. He makes a good point in comparing Kaput to rat poison which, due to its long and prolific use, we think nothing of using.

Like others, I’m not quite ready to pull the trigger on it. I’d like to see a lot of anecdotal evidence before I put the other fauna on my place at risk.

Again, thanks for sharing.

[RiverRat1]

Big difference in putting mice poison in certain areas like a barn versus all over the country side for hogs. And the mice poison has to be kept away from dogs, cats etc. also. I doubt any amount of research will ever make most hunters feel it's safe. Heck I don't feel the mouse poison is safe. I'm always worried my dog will get to it.

[PondPopper]

Big difference in putting mice poison in certain areas like a barn versus all over the country side for hogs. And the mice poison has to be kept away from dogs, cats etc. also. I doubt any amount of research will ever make most hunters feel it's safe. Heck I don't feel the mouse poison is safe. I'm always worried my dog will get to it.

Mark my words. If this poison becomes wildly popular and widely used, it won't end well.

[RiverRat1]

Mark my words. If this poison becomes wildly popular and widely used, it won't end well for taxpayers.

Fixed it for you. Just like when LEOs get sued or a slew of other things the people that pushed the poison will not be paying for the bad decisions, just the taxpayers.

[98ag]

I kill a lot of hogs in my traps and Dr. Bill asked me why I wasn't interested. I laughed and said my trap has been very effective for my area and people eat every hog I shoot.

Will you continue to eat the ones you shoot with the poison on the market?

[HogHunter34]

Reading some of the studies there appears to be risk if feeder is accessible for prolonged periods to non-target species per below:

For the most part, non-target animals had no access to non-toxic or toxic bait once the feeder apparatus had been fully closed, providing the feeder doors did not become jammed open due to feral hog use
When the feeder door was jammed open on a few occasions due to use and abuse by feral hogs, non-target animals accessed non-toxic bait. In one instance, a door was jammed open during the toxic baiting phase, and a javelina accessed the toxic bait (photo below). Nevertheless, this product is not acutely toxic, and the javelina obtained a negligible amount of bait. This animal continued to return to the site, although the toxic bait was removed and trial ended due to this access.
In one other instance, a raccoon accessed toxic bait due to a feeder door jammed open. This animal consumed very little of the bait. At this point, the trial was ended, and toxic bait removed
We remind the reader that this study was not tasked to monitor non-target use of the product, nor were we tasked with evaluating residue levels of warfarin in animals deceased from use of the product, nor any potential secondary toxicity from the product on scavenging animals. This is beyond the scope of our charge, design, and funding
It should be noted that warfarin is not an acute toxicant, and for all species, it must be consumed at a sufficient dose over a period of time to produce lethal effects

Yeah if it's a controlled experiment to remove the bait each time it's observed a non-target species accessing the bait then yeah it's safe