Follow up on Tx shooting...

[okrattler]

The warning shot was irrelevant. You can debate whether the homeowner was scared, a pansy *** or whatever; it doesn’t matter when the “intruder” went for his rifle right after telling him what he was going to do with it after not leaving the property when ordered to do so many times, while the wife was on the phone with the police. I’ll lay money that 95+% of shootings in self-defense situations involve the shooter being “Scared” (Isn’t that the true definition of “Fearing for your life”?). I think some of you believe the homeowner to be the aggressor here, which the video clearly shows otherwise.

The bottom line is nobody here was there when everything happened before, during and after the incident. All you can go by is the video and it’s a rock-solid proof of legal use of deadly force.

If it's such rock solid proof then why are there only two people on this thread that aren't questioning it? In no self defense related shooting I've ever heard of in my life has there been warning shots fired. Just that alone shows me just how much of an immediate threat there was.

As far as being scared and being scared for your life being the same. Not even close. If someone stepped toe to toe with me the fear is always there because I know this is about to hurt. Even pro fighters have to learn to control fear. But in no way is their life in danger. Fearing for your life is completely different. Nobody had a gun on him. He was the aggressor, you can say all day he wasn't but in my eyes the video shows just that. If he'd have called the cops instead the guy would have been forced to leave and he'd still be alive.

If you were about to get in a fight (fist fight) and someone pulled a gun on you and you were ****** who's to say you wouldn't try to grab it out of their hands? The dude murdered him. That's just the way it is. If the threat is immediate you don't need warning shots,you don't have to go inside and load a gun. In a self defense situation you don't have time for that. He should have left the gun in the house.

But like you said none of us were there so who knows. But what I do know is this video doesn't look very good on the shooters part.

[Artos]

One thing for certain is the outcome is 50/50 depending where such a scenario takes place...

[Mike D]

It really doesn’t matter what any
of us think. None of us have seen all the evidence and the grand jury has and decided there was not a case to prosecute.


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[SmTx]

It's a chicken **** shooting because they purposely kept the kid away to get a reaction out of the dad.

They played their hand their way and it worked out in the court of law. They goaded the day to react and he did.

Smh. And prayers for the children.

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[Smokeater]

Sad, stupid deal for sure. I did learn one thing tho. Even if I was to think I could whup somebody and they pulled out a gun, I sure hope I don't say something stupid like "use that thing mother effer!"

[Mitchell8]

If a cop shot someone in the same manner they would be burning down the whataburgers. Hard to watch just people being stupid. Article says the Judge divorced the shooter after the shooting… wow

[pontiac]

And this is what juries do during deliberations.

[muzzlebrake]

Watching the videos from two different angles my eyes saw a murder take place. But one thing I'm curious about is how convenient to have all that caught on video from different angles. Like it was planned or scripted somehow.

[Leverhunter]

I’m actually very surprised by a lot of the comments on this thread. Regardless of anyones “feelings”, the facts are the dead guy (he’s not a victim since this is not a crime) was asked and told repeatedly to leave the property of the man defending his property, Long before the firearm was brought into this situation. The dead guy was verbally and physically showing further escalation and irritation. When the homeowner came out of his home with a firearm the dead guy actually came towards him and further threatened him ON HIS PROPERTY; before attempting to take HIS PROPERTY AWAY FROM HIM ON HIS PROPERTY. Looking at the video it’s clear as glass, The man was defending his property against a very real threat.

If the dead guy truly felt his son was there and had the right to get him he should have called the police like his ex-wife was on the phone doing.

I agree 100% and I'm really surprised about a lot of the comments on here. The dead guy was on someone else's property, was told to leave and continued to escalate the situation. If he was really concerned about his kid being there he should have stepped back and called the police instead he got more physical trying to provoke the shooter.

[Rubi513]

We all are entitled to our opinions.
Looks like murder to me.

[Blessed to hunt]

This is Texas ,you don't have to be scared for your life to defend yourself or your property . Thankfully we have the Castle law which gives us the right to not wait for the police who mean well but seldom get there in time . If you're told Lee somebody's property you better do so if they have to get a gun out because you don't leave their property you should have already left try to take my gun away from me and find out which end of it you get, I wouldn't have gave him a second chance to try to take it away from me, I probably wouldn't have shot him ,I probably would have beat him with the gun but he had every right to shoot him , he's lucky the guy didn't shoot him when he bowed up to him with his chest and tried to take the gun away from him, he should have , sorry if I offended anybody it's just my opinion , Dead Guy clearly black common Sense or he would have left and lived to fight another day , y'all be safe and blessed

[okrattler]

This is Texas ,you don't have to be scared for your life to defend yourself or your property . Thankfully we have the Castle law which gives us the right to not wait for the police who mean well but seldom get there in time . If you're told Lee somebody's property you better do so if they have to get a gun out because you don't leave their property you should have already left try to take my gun away from me and find out which end of it you get, I wouldn't have gave him a second chance to try to take it away from me, I probably wouldn't have shot him ,I probably would have beat him with the gun but he had every right to shoot him , he's lucky the guy didn't shoot him when he bowed up to him with his chest and tried to take the gun away from him, he should have , sorry if I offended anybody it's just my opinion , Dead Guy clearly black common Sense or he would have left and lived to fight another day , y'all be safe and blessed

One problem with that Castle Doctrine Law in this circumstance. One cannot claim self defense if they become the aggressor or escalate the situation. Which is exactly what bringing the gun outside did. It went from a verbal confrontation,to a physical confrontation to someone getting killed. He poked the bear,didn't like the reaction he got so he tried to scare him away. That didn't work so he shot at the ground. Still didn't work. So he shot him for getting in his face. Don't be pulling a gun on someone unless you plan on using it first off. That doesn't scare a lot of people and you could end up with that gun shattered into a billion pieces wishing you had it back.

Again, the only law he broke was not leaving the property. He wasn't assaulting anyone until big shoots walked outside with a rifle like he was someone special. Point a gun at the wrong person and you won't have a choice but to shoot them because they will whoop your ***. This is a prime example of that.

Now take the gun out of the equation all together and what was likely to happen in this scenario? Probably nothin.

What he should have done is called the cops while ol' boy was giving his ex-wife the what for because obviously she wasn't doing what she was supposed to be or he wouldn't have been yellin at her. So who's to blame for that?.........Her. Sounds to me like she was violating something that was court ordered in the divorce. So the blame isn't all on him for getting mad. People don't just start yelling like that for no good reason.

[tvc184]

I’m actually very surprised by a lot of the comments on this thread. Regardless of anyones “feelings”, the facts are the dead guy (he’s not a victim since this is not a crime) was asked and told repeatedly to leave the property of the man defending his property, Long before the firearm was brought into this situation. The dead guy was verbally and physically showing further escalation and irritation. When the homeowner came out of his home with a firearm the dead guy actually came towards him and further threatened him ON HIS PROPERTY; before attempting to take HIS PROPERTY AWAY FROM HIM ON HIS PROPERTY. Looking at the video it’s clear as glass, The man was defending his property against a very real threat.

If the dead guy truly felt his son was there and had the right to get him he should have called the police like his ex-wife was on the phone doing.

It does not matter if it was HIS PROPERTY.

Texas law does not allow using deadly force for preventing trespassing.

[tvc184]

This is Texas ,you don't have to be scared for your life to defend yourself or your property . Thankfully we have the Castle law which gives us the right to not wait for the police who mean well but seldom get there in time . If you're told Lee somebody's property you better do so if they have to get a gun out because you don't leave their property you should have already left try to take my gun away from me and find out which end of it you get, I wouldn't have gave him a second chance to try to take it away from me, I probably wouldn't have shot him ,I probably would have beat him with the gun but he had every right to shoot him , he's lucky the guy didn't shoot him when he bowed up to him with his chest and tried to take the gun away from him, he should have , sorry if I offended anybody it's just my opinion , Dead Guy clearly black common Sense or he would have left and lived to fight another day , y'all be safe and blessed

Texas law does not allow using deadly force for preventing trespassing.

[tvc184]

One thing for certain is the outcome is 50/50 depending where such a scenario takes place...

Yes.

In another county he might have been indicted and convicted.