Follow up on Tx shooting...

[Raider4044]

I kinda want a tactical shotgun now for home defense…

Wasn’t a shotgun. Ruger PCC

[Pony1971]

Hard to watch. The firearm escalated the situation here and that was all from the shooter. The fact he seemed calm afterwards seems weird. I guess if this had been an intruder, I would understand. But this was an ongoing confrontation and it would be tough to think the shooter was in fear of his life.

Tough to understand and tough for those left to live with the aftermath. I can't imagine what his kid is going thru.

[STX_Shooter]

Wasn’t a shotgun. Ruger PCC

Ahhh no wonder there wasn’t much recoil. Makes sense.

[Sackett]

I’m actually very surprised by a lot of the comments on this thread. Regardless of anyones “feelings”, the facts are the dead guy (he’s not a victim since this is not a crime) was asked and told repeatedly to leave the property of the man defending his property, Long before the firearm was brought into this situation. The dead guy was verbally and physically showing further escalation and irritation. When the homeowner came out of his home with a firearm the dead guy actually came towards him and further threatened him ON HIS PROPERTY; before attempting to take HIS PROPERTY AWAY FROM HIM ON HIS PROPERTY. Looking at the video it’s clear as glass, The man was defending his property against a very real threat.

If the dead guy truly felt his son was there and had the right to get him he should have called the police like his ex-wife was on the phone doing.

[DUKFVR]

Lots of stupid going on both sides in that video. Not that surprised at the outcome in Texas.

This! One got the prize for playing. The other got lucky.

[bermise]

Little man was scared and angry. He escalated the situation, surprised he got off free.

[Mike D]

I’m actually very surprised by a lot of the comments on this thread. Regardless of anyones “feelings”, the facts are the dead guy (he’s not a victim since this is not a crime) was asked and told repeatedly to leave the property of the man defending his property, Long before the firearm was brought into this situation. The dead guy was verbally and physically showing further escalation and irritation. When the homeowner came out of his home with a firearm the dead guy actually came towards him and further threatened him ON HIS PROPERTY; before attempting to take HIS PROPERTY AWAY FROM HIM ON HIS PROPERTY. Looking at the video it’s clear as glass, The man was defending his property against a very real threat.

If the dead guy truly felt his son was there and had the right to get him he should have called the police like his ex-wife was on the phone doing.

No doubt. I hope I never have to rely on some here to be on a jury. Emotions have no place in situations like this.


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[Sackett]

Little man was scared and angry. He escalated the situation, surprised he got off free.

Lol, I guess the dead guy didn’t escalate the situation by not leaving his property after numerous commands to do so, aggressively moving towards and speaking to his ex wife and then going after the homeowner and his rifle, on his front porch?

If anyone there showed anger, it was the dead guy, period. The homeowner gave the ex husband plenty of chances to leave before the firearm was brought out.

I too hope I never have to defend my family or anyone else with deadly force, but that homeowner had every right to do so.

[okrattler]

Lol, I guess the dead guy didn’t escalate the situation by not leaving his property after numerous commands to do so, aggressively moving towards and speaking to his ex wife and then going after the homeowner and his rifle, on his front porch?

If anyone there showed anger, it was the dead guy, period. The homeowner gave the ex husband plenty of chances to leave before the firearm was brought out.

I too hope I never have to defend my family or anyone else with deadly force, but that homeowner had every right to do so.

If you have to warning shoot you're not in danger. Like I said he wasn't in any danger until after he brought the gun out. If he was scared he should have went inside and called the cops. He was mad when the guy got in his face. Put most men in that situation and they'll get into a fist fight. If you shoot a man because you're scared to fight that's called being a pansy ***.

He murdered the guy over fear and failure to take control over his emotions. Plain and simple.

Shooting someone because you're scared for your life is one thing. Shooting someone because you're a coward is a completely different thing. He had the gun what did he have to be afraid of? Should have thought about that before he got it out.

[DUKFVR]

Lol, I guess the dead guy didn’t escalate the situation by not leaving his property after numerous commands to do so, aggressively moving towards and speaking to his ex wife and then going after the homeowner and his rifle, on his front porch?

If anyone there showed anger, it was the dead guy, period. The homeowner gave the ex husband plenty of chances to leave before the firearm was brought out.

I too hope I never have to defend my family or anyone else with deadly force, but that homeowner had every right to do so.

I agree. He was warned.

[Mike D]

If you have to warning shoot you're not in danger. Like I said he wasn't in any danger until after he brought the gun out. If he was scared he should have went inside and called the cops. He was mad when the guy got in his face. Put most men in that situation and they'll get into a fist fight. If you shoot a man because you're scared to fight that's called being a pansy ***.

He murdered the guy over fear and failure to take control over his emotions. Plain and simple.

Shooting someone because you're scared for your life is one thing. Shooting someone because you're a coward is a completely different thing. He had the gun what did he have to be afraid of? Should have thought about that before he got it out.

I agree the warning shot was a terrible idea but the guy that grabbed the gun escalated the situation and he paid for it with his life.


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[okrattler]

I agree the warning shot was a terrible idea but the guy that grabbed the gun escalated the situation and he paid for it with his life.


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And that's where it turned from dumb to super dumb on his part. If you don't have a gun and someone gets a gun it just turned into a gun fight. Gun fighting without a gun is a bad day. He should have turned around,maybe cussed a little and drove away and lived. He got in the guys face like he didn't have a gun.

I don't know if he thought he wouldn't use it or what. But he thought wrong.

All I'm saying is the cops should have been called and on the way before bumping it up to 10. The guy was running his mouth and that's all it should have amounted to. He wasn't screaming "I'm gonna kill everyone here!" He was threatening to take them to court when the guy walked out with the rifle. Let the dude run his mouth and go away. Threaten to call the police,anything to get him to go away. By bringing that gun out the situation went from a verbal altercation to a deadly one in seconds.

[okrattler]

The sad thing about it is the only person this situation truly hurt was the child the whole argument was over to begin with. We don't know the back story. All we know is what is on video. Maybe the guy who was all bent out of shape had a right to be upset the way he was. Divorce can lead to pretty unfair circumstances, especially if you're a man. Lets not kid ourselves and say that in most divorce cases the woman isn't already more likely to have the upper hand. I don't know what was happening there. Maybe the now deceased man should have been mad the way he was. If we knew the whole story maybe that would change our perspective on why he was there raising hell to begin with.

Neither of them handled the situation the right way. But I also don't know every last detail. My guess is there were incidents that brought on this situation.

But also that could mean the shooter had a reason to be afraid because who knows what went on behind the scenes leading up to the event. All I know is as of now the story told would be pretty one sided.

[Sackett]

If you have to warning shoot you're not in danger. Like I said he wasn't in any danger until after he brought the gun out. If he was scared he should have went inside and called the cops. He was mad when the guy got in his face. Put most men in that situation and they'll get into a fist fight. If you shoot a man because you're scared to fight that's called being a pansy ***.

He murdered the guy over fear and failure to take control over his emotions. Plain and simple.

Shooting someone because you're scared for your life is one thing. Shooting someone because you're a coward is a completely different thing. He had the gun what did he have to be afraid of? Should have thought about that before he got it out.

The warning shot was irrelevant. You can debate whether the homeowner was scared, a pansy *** or whatever; it doesn’t matter when the “intruder” went for his rifle right after telling him what he was going to do with it after not leaving the property when ordered to do so many times, while the wife was on the phone with the police. I’ll lay money that 95+% of shootings in self-defense situations involve the shooter being “Scared” (Isn’t that the true definition of “Fearing for your life”?). I think some of you believe the homeowner to be the aggressor here, which the video clearly shows otherwise.

The bottom line is nobody here was there when everything happened before, during and after the incident. All you can go by is the video and it’s a rock-solid proof of legal use of deadly force.

[rolylane6]

The warning shot was irrelevant. You can debate whether the homeowner was scared, a pansy *** or whatever; it doesn’t matter when the “intruder” went for his rifle right after telling him what he was going to do with it after not leaving the property when ordered to do so many times, while the wife was on the phone with the police. I’ll lay money that 95+% of shootings in self-defense situations involve the shooter being “Scared” (Isn’t that the true definition of “Fearing for your life”?). I think some of you believe the homeowner to be the aggressor here, which the video clearly shows otherwise.



The bottom line is nobody here was there when everything happened before, during and after the incident. All you can go by is the video and it’s a rock-solid proof of legal use of deadly force.

I dont think I would call it rock solid proof of anything except who shot who. It's definitely a controversial call from a legal standpoint. The dude shot had attempted to disarm the shooter but in the act of doing so the shooter was moved out of harms way and the guy shot was then standing in a non threatening position with his arms at his side. One could argue there was no immediate threat at that point. But one could also argue that the guy shot was now between the shooter and his home/family and was a threat to them.
I'm glad it wasn't my call to make.

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