Remington 700 ADL.

[okrattler]

I got one to have rechambered to .221 Fireball. My question is I wasn't aware that it didn't have a detachable magazine. The guy that's going to work on it for me blocks the magazine up so it'll feed reliably. But I was also told it would work because supposedly the internal magazine is blocked from the factory. Is there truth to that or do I need to buy a whole different stock that I can use an detachable magazine in?

[trophy8]

What the what?

He makes it a single shot to feed more reliably. Got that. But you are saying the factory did that already? Just buy a BDL stock with a bottom metal set up that you want. If he can't make it feed right then find another smith. Big fan of the HS precision magazines in bolt guns myself.

[okrattler]

What the what?

He makes it a single shot to feed more reliably. Got that. But you are saying the factory did that already? Just buy a BDL stock with a bottom metal set up that you want. If he can't make it feed right then find another smith. Big fan of the HS precision magazines in bolt guns myself.

No I mean he puts a block in the detachable magazine for that shorter cartridge. I wasn't aware that the ADL didn't have a detachable magazine which was my fault. But I was told it could still work even with the internal magazine.

I was looking at Hogue and several different others. There's a bunch to choose from for the 700's.

I was just wondering if I should go ahead and get a stock so I can use a detachable magazine or stick with what I have.

[trophy8]

No I mean he puts a block in the detachable magazine for that shorter cartridge. I wasn't aware that the ADL didn't have a detachable magazine which was my fault. But I was told it could still work even with the internal magazine.

I was looking at Hogue and several different others. There's a bunch to choose from for the 700's.

I was just wondering if I should go ahead and get a stock so I can use a detachable magazine or stick with what I have.

Ah ok. I'm tracking now. Pm Blake. He's the small caliber guru.

[Cajun Blake]

I got one to have rechambered to .221 Fireball. My question is I wasn't aware that it didn't have a detachable magazine. The guy that's going to work on it for me blocks the magazine up so it'll feed reliably. But I was also told it would work because supposedly the internal magazine is blocked from the factory. Is there truth to that or do I need to buy a whole different stock that I can use an detachable magazine in?

Are you having an existing barrel re-chambered to 221 FB, OR having a new barrel threaded and chambered on your existing action ? Was the original rifle a 223 , or maybe a 17 Fireball ?

The Fireball and 223 family of cartridges takes a smaller follower and spring that needs to fit in a blocked magazine. If you need one for the 221 FB I have an extra I can sell cheap. Should look like this as the magazine will be the same length, just the box and follower will be shortened

[okrattler]

Are you having an existing barrel re-chambered to 221 FB, OR having a new barrel threaded and chambered on your existing action ? Was the original rifle a 223 , or maybe a 17 Fireball ?

The Fireball and 223 family of cartridges takes a smaller follower and spring that needs to fit in a blocked magazine. If you need one for the 221 FB I have an extra I can sell cheap. Should look like this as the magazine will be the same length, just the box and follower will be shortened

So far the plan is to just have the existing barrel rechambered to .221 Fireball. The rifle I'm having done is a .223 I can take a picture of the magazine if you'd like to see what you think. There's no way to look at the internal parts of the magazine without taking the rifle apart and I have no idea what I'm supposed to be looking for. This will be the first rifle I've had rechambered to another caliber.

[okrattler]

Ah ok. I'm tracking now. Pm Blake. He's the small caliber guru.

It didn't take him long to find me.lol

[Cajun Blake]

IMO, your wasting your time and $$$ re-chambering a 223 barrel to 221FB

lots of barrel will have to be cut back as you will lose .75" of shank. Then existing barrel will not fit in the stock inlet cutout. My advice, spend $140 and buy this Wilson blank and do it right the first time. Either way, you're still gonna have to spend the same amount on a thread, cut and chamber job .... http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714326408

sell the 223 barrel for $40 and then all you have to spend on a Stainless Match grade barrel is $100
FYI - these are the same barrels used by Cooper

note the difference in case size of 221 vs 223

[okrattler]

So basically it'd be better to go with a new barrel,which I had thought about doing. If it won't save money or be in better in the long run I might as well just get a whole new barrel put on it.

Is the magazine you showed an internal magazine that would just replace the existing internal .223 magazine?

[Cajun Blake]

that picture compares a 221/223 magazine and follower on the Left, compared to a 308, 243, 260 (Short action) magazine on the Right. Because the 223 is shorter, the magazine needs a block. You can modify and existing 308 family magazine to accommodate the 223 size case. If you buy a factory 221 or 223 rifle, the magazine and follower should already be modified to feed properly.
both magazines are the same OAL so they can fit in a SA stock

you can re-chamber a 221FB to 223 , however going from 223 to the shorter 221FB is a azz-backwards. As a GS, I would NEVER recommend this unless you had a full bull , 0 taper, custom barrel. Then you don't have to worry about cutting off the shank end and losing your taper for the barrel inletting. Follow me ??

[okrattler]

that picture compares a 221/223 magazine and follower on the Left, compared to a 308, 243, 260 (Short action) magazine on the Right. Because the 223 is shorter, the magazine needs a block. You can modify and existing 308 family magazine to accommodate the 223 size case. If you buy a factory 221 or 223 rifle, the magazine and follower should already be modified to feed properly.
both magazines are the same OAL so they can fit in a SA stock

you can re-chamber a 221FB to 223 , however going from 223 to the shorter 221FB is a azz-backwards. As a GS, I would NEVER recommend this unless you had a full bull , 0 taper, custom barrel. Then you don't have to worry about cutting off the shank end and losing your taper for the barrel inletting. Follow me ??

I'm following you. I understand now. The only other problem I might encounter with the 700 ADL is the timing on the ejector but the gunsmith told me he could fix that and it wouldn't be an issue.

So from the sound of things I'm ready to get a new barrel put on that sucker.

[Cajun Blake]

If $$ is no object, buy a Lilja, Krieger, Bartlein, PacNor, etc.... ($325-375)

The Wilson I linked above is a solid deal at $140. Do you reload ? If so then the 20VarTarg should be very high on your list. If shooting factory ammo, then stick with the 221FB

I would also recommend having your GS true/blueprint the action & bolt

[okrattler]

I have everything I need to reload but I shoot factory ammo quite a bit out of necessity. I actually bought a reloading die,powder,bullets and .221 brass a while back and am just now getting the rifle.

I always hear about people getting E.R. Shaw barrels. Are they any good? That is a good deal on the Wilson barrel. Is that a heavy barrel?

I'll have to remember to ask him to do that for me. I never thought about having him blueprint any of that stuff.

[Cajun Blake]

I'll have to remember to ask him to do that for me. I never thought about having him blueprint any of that stuff.

example of a factory Rem 700 when factory barrel removed


example of what the action and barrel threads should look like when done properly



If your GS doesn't true the action, then you're putting a freshly machined barrel into that dirty (untrue) action threads

just curious, has your GS done this service before ? Is he chasing threads with a tap, or single-point cutting centered on the bore axis ?


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[okrattler]

Yeah he's done a lot of rifles and actually builds custom rifles. I'm not exactly sure how he does it I haven't asked him that. I've more or less just been trying to get a rifle that will work the best and made sure I won't have any feeding issues or anything after this project is over with.

I'm not too savvy on the process of putting a new barrel on or anything to be honest. He just said he likes to work off of the Remington 700's the best so I got me one. I'm definitely no expert. I wish I knew more so I'd know what I should ask.