458 socom

[Lungbustr]

250 gr SP 2,150 ft/s 2,565 ft·lbs. Seems like this load would be plenty adequate. Will this not kill an animal?

[Low Fence]

Y'all are correct, and have more first hand experience with this round than me. I stand corrected

Never said they didn't work. They all work.... a .22 works

The only thing this gun has over any is "shock and awe ". If the op wants a round that will rape and pillage and animal where body parts fly off and heads explode...... it won't do it.. just don't. Not arguing with the tactical masses here. It does zero more carnage than a 44.....for pennies on the dollar. They ain't going to walk away from a lethal shot by no means.... but that applies across the board

My point:

Cool but over hyped that won't perform as well in real world situation AS WELL as other rounds...... but a cool looking round

[bearintex]

250 gr SP 2,150 ft/s 2,565 ft·lbs. Seems like this load would be plenty adequate. Will this not kill an animal?

Along with the two behind it, given a stout enough bullet.....

[gonehuntin]

I had a Factory Rock River 458 that would shoot sub 1 inch groups with my reloads. I never lost a hog that I shot with that gun, it put's a huge hole in them. It is not cheap to shoot or even to reload for. Only reason I sold it was a buddy offered me stupid money on it and I sold him everything I had for it for $2000.

[Clay C]

Y'all are correct, and have more first hand experience with this round than me. I stand corrected

Never said they didn't work. They all work.... a .22 works

The only thing this gun has over any is "shock and awe ". If the op wants a round that will rape and pillage and animal where body parts fly off and heads explode...... it won't do it.. just don't. Not arguing with the tactical masses here. It does zero more carnage than a 44.....for pennies on the dollar. They ain't going to walk away from a lethal shot by no means.... but that applies across the board

My point:

Cool but over hyped that won't perform as well in real world situation AS WELL as other rounds...... but a cool looking round

OP never asked for a gun that will "rape and pillage" or make "body parts fly off and heads explode. I also don't see anyone arguing the .458 will do that. The OP wants a gun that hits hard for what I'm assuming will be short ranges in heavy cover. Since he's looking at a .458, it's safe to assume he's probably looking for an AR patterned rifle. The .458 is a great choice for his criteria.

Also, either your hunting partner's gun sucks or he is just a terrible shot.

[El General]

A couple of my buddies have Radical Firearms 458 SOCOM uppers. They are both minute of beer can at fifty yards with factory loads which is plenty to kill hogs out to 100. SOB is loud though. Suppressor is a nice thing to have for the SOCOM.

[Slick8]

Unless you just want an AR, I'd go with a 45-70. My 1895 Marlin shoots 2-3 inch groups at 200 yards with 4x scope.

In an AR, the socom is certainly capable of doing the job out to 100 or so.

[BLACKFINTURKEY]

No socom experience but I am thinking of building one. I have had a 45/70 and it destroyed hogs. My brother had a 50 Beowulf and it would blow through 3 hogs in a row and just about disintegrate armadillos and coons. It was fairly accurate 2-3" groups at 100yards but he did have stovepipe issues. Cool round for sure. The 458 will kill anything in Texas no issues.

[Mike D]

This accuracy issue indicates a major problem with the shooter or the firearm.......not the cartridge.



And for clarification



44 mag. 320gr bullet at 1175 fps (corbon)

44 mag 280gr bullet at 1350 fps (corbon)



458 Socom 300gr bullet at 1900fps (corbon)



How does the 44 mag have better performance......just asking while scratching my head.

That’s a fact! Mine is a 10.5” SBR and I run the 325FTX rounds through it at 1800+ fps. And it shoots slightly over 1MOA @ 100.


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[xman59]

This accuracy issue indicates a major problem with the shooter or the firearm.......not the cartridge.

And for clarification

44 mag. 320gr bullet at 1175 fps (corbon)
44 mag 280gr bullet at 1350 fps (corbon)

458 Socom 300gr bullet at 1900fps (corbon)

How does the 44 mag have better performance......just asking while scratching my head.

its not even close, not sure he knows what the 458 socom is

[xman59]

Was meant sarcastic.....

Energy meant absolutely $&&* if it don't hit. That cue ball flying at the speed of smell isn't stabilizing enough. It's horrible really. And the bullet itself isn't doing much on impact due to not enough speed.

It had a cool factor that can't be denied but from a hog hunters point of view and not a zombie slayers perspective...every other ar platform round trumps it in the real world. Numbers work good on paper

it is nearly a twin for the 45-70 with which i have killed many animals,( and possibly millions have been killed with it, it is still around because it works, and very well at that, it is more than effective enough, it's not always about speed,,,,

[xman59]

OP never asked for a gun that will "rape and pillage" or make "body parts fly off and heads explode. I also don't see anyone arguing the .458 will do that. The OP wants a gun that hits hard for what I'm assuming will be short ranges in heavy cover. Since he's looking at a .458, it's safe to assume he's probably looking for an AR patterned rifle. The .458 is a great choice for his criteria.

Also, either your hunting partner's gun sucks or he is just a terrible shot.

you are totally correct, i will be hunting from my bow stand with several hogs over 400#, and herds of as many as 22 at a time... cover is super thick 4 year old pine saplings briars and 8' grass... i have been hunting for over 50 years and i have killed a lot of animals,, the big bullet does what little ones will not do, blow through every time,,,, some of the hogs will be shot just to kill them off others will be for table fair,,,, i do not want to track any i want to eat not were i will be hunting! at 25 yards a lever action is just not fast enough to get more than 1 shot, the semi auto 458 will cycle fast enough, and i do handload .
i wanted a ruger deer stalker 44, but could not find one for sale locally, and i was not buying one blind off the internet....after doing some research i settled on the 458 socom as the best option,, the 45 caliber pistol caliber options use handgun bullets which really are not as likely to hold together at higher velocities,, the 50 beowolf ammo was even harder to find and not that much cheaper, and already loading for the 45-70 i have all the components except the brass....... i will have enough slug and velocity to hammer the big hogs, and more than enough to possibly get multiples with one shot on smaller pigs

[caa4612]

I’ve got one. Great pig round. Shoots fine to 100 and probably more but I don’t use it past 100. Main things is to buy the barrel from the proper companies that have the proper reamer. There’s a lot of knock offs.


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[Mike D]

you are totally correct, i will be hunting from my bow stand with several hogs over 400#, and herds of as many as 22 at a time... cover is super thick 4 year old pine saplings briars and 8' grass... i have been hunting for over 50 years and i have killed a lot of animals,, the big bullet does what little ones will not do, blow through every time,,,, some of the hogs will be shot just to kill them off others will be for table fair,,,, i do not want to track any i want to eat not were i will be hunting! at 25 yards a lever action is just not fast enough to get more than 1 shot, the semi auto 458 will cycle fast enough, and i do handload .

i wanted a ruger deer stalker 44, but could not find one for sale locally, and i was not buying one blind off the internet....after doing some research i settled on the 458 socom as the best option,, the 45 caliber pistol caliber options use handgun bullets which really are not as likely to hold together at higher velocities,, the 50 beowolf ammo was even harder to find and not that much cheaper, and already loading for the 45-70 i have all the components except the brass....... i will have enough slug and velocity to hammer the big hogs, and more than enough to possibly get multiples with one shot on smaller pigs

I chose the Socom over the 450 Bushmaster and the 50 Beuwolf for the exact same reasons you did.


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[Jared.King]

I chose the Socom over the 450 Bushmaster and the 50 Beuwolf for the exact same reasons you did.


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If you reload, then you can use .45 caliber muzzleloader bullets for the .450 bushmaster. It really opens up a ton of options for bullets designed for those speeds