Thermal Scopes

[DEADEYE1]

thermal

Really? What was the temp ? His would not show Johnson grass that was chest high or small mesquite limbs
It was a reap IR mini or something like that

there are a ton of options on that scope. You can also adjust the eye piece for everyones own eye.

[35remington]

the thermal does not see small bushes and tall grass or have the definition that the NV has

My experience has been the exact opposite. Thermal sees straight through the grass and branches. NV, especially digital NV like you're using, gets major splash -back from grass and branches, which makes it hard to see.

night vision monocular on a helmet for stalking and thermal for the kill.

This is exactly what I do, and it's awesome. Some folks spend $8K on a thermal scope but then walk around with a regular flashlight. To me that defeats the purpose of maintaining stealth, but some of those guys still kill a lot of pigs.

[Horitexan]

I'm interested in thermal for predator control. I've gotten to use a thermal scanner and a rifle scope before and the scanner, for me, was the most useful - it allowed me to find (particularly) bobcats and coyotes that were hung us behind brush. It allowed me to know that I had one that needed more coaxing- one that I would otherwise have missed because I'd have quit calling and moved locations. I'd love to get a thermal unit for scanning but the last time I checked, they were running $3k to $5k (Flir PS models with 60hz refresh) and that's just out of my price range right now. Have the prices come down or new models come out that are less expensive?

I'd be really interested if I could find a sub $2k hand-held scanner that would let me identify a bobcat at 200yds with a refresh rate fast enough for smooth scanning. Is there such a thing?


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[FireNguns]

I'm interested in thermal for predator control. I've gotten to use a thermal scanner and a rifle scope before and the scanner, for me, was the most useful - it allowed me to find (particularly) bobcats and coyotes that were hung us behind brush. It allowed me to know that I had one that needed more coaxing- one that I would otherwise have missed because I'd have quit calling and moved locations. I'd love to get a thermal unit for scanning but the last time I checked, they were running $3k to $5k (Flir PS models with 60hz refresh) and that's just out of my price range right now. Have the prices come down or new models come out that are less expensive?

I'd be really interested if I could find a sub $2k hand-held scanner that would let me identify a bobcat at 200yds with a refresh rate fast enough for smooth scanning. Is there such a thing?


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60hz isn't always better. The way I understand it can even burn batteries quicker when 30hz is more than ample. I have a Zeus pro 336 with 30hz and it never lags on scanning. Armasight will tell you the the 30hz is better for that model than 60hz.

[Homer75]

60hz isn't always better. The way I understand it can even burn batteries quicker when 30hz is more than ample. I have a Zeus pro 336 with 30hz and it never lags on scanning. Armasight will tell you the the 30hz is better for that model than 60hz.

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=654412

Just looked at your ad and read a bit about your scope. Man you have me crying that I passed on a lease in Ganado that is loaded with pigs.

[Black Ice]

Thermal Scopes

Im in the market for night vision or thermal scopes. I wanting to get a good quality and brand. What are the cheapest/ best scopes on the market?

I'm a firm believer that cheap/ best scopes on the market when it comes to night vision or thermal means you're better off with a quality sniper hog light.


I had the chance to look through some border patrol stuff one night when they rolled up on our camp and I'll never waste my money on the cheap stuff.


For some reason I think I remember googling the optic I used that night and 8k to 13k came up. With that being said most of the stuff I have seen since has been 700 to 1,500 and I'd rather shoot with a spotlight.

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[Black Ice]

Thermal Scopes

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-378353.html

I just googled and found my own thread lol.

Still can't afford the good chit.

But my wife is still asking for a $2600 purse for her 40th birthday this year.

[35remington]

I'd be really interested if I could find a sub $2k hand-held scanner that would let me identify a bobcat at 200yds with a refresh rate fast enough for smooth scanning. Is there such a thing?

The Pulsar Core RXQ30V will do that 8 days a week, especially once the tiny Pulsar QD mount hits the market.

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=647944

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I had the chance to look through some border patrol stuff one night when they rolled up on our camp and I'll never waste my money on the cheap stuff.

For some reason I think I remember googling the optic I used that night and 8k to 13k came up.

Add another order of magnitude and then you'll be in the neighborhood. $100K is where the shiz gets real. I'm talking 15-mile detection ability.

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[Outdoor Legacy]

I'm interested in thermal for predator control. I've gotten to use a thermal scanner and a rifle scope before and the scanner, for me, was the most useful - it allowed me to find (particularly) bobcats and coyotes that were hung us behind brush. It allowed me to know that I had one that needed more coaxing- one that I would otherwise have missed because I'd have quit calling and moved locations. I'd love to get a thermal unit for scanning but the last time I checked, they were running $3k to $5k (Flir PS models with 60hz refresh) and that's just out of my price range right now. Have the prices come down or new models come out that are less expensive?

I'd be really interested if I could find a sub $2k hand-held scanner that would let me identify a bobcat at 200yds with a refresh rate fast enough for smooth scanning. Is there such a thing?

35Remington is dead on. The Pulsar Core RXQ30V for $1,899 will do that, as will the Pulsar Quantum Lite XQ23V $1,699. I will admit identifying a bobcat at 200 yards is on the upper end of the range, depending on the conditions, but I'd tell you the same thing if you were looking at a $10,000 IR Defense thermal. Identifying a deer vs a hog vs a coyote at 200 yards, no problem if you've got a little experience and normal conditions. The biggest factor helping you on these new thermals is the AMOLED display (vs LCD) and the 17 microns (vs 25 microns on last years models).

You also don't need 60Hz unless you plan to hunt from a helicopter or a fast moving vehicle. It provides no benefit at all for normal, walking/moving hunting conditions. Most 60Hz scopes sacrifice battery life for the faster refresh rate too, so it's not something I normally advise someone to purchase unless they really have the need for it. The good news is, all Pulsar thermals, including those mentioned above are 50Hz and Pulsar has mastered the battery life issue. Their battery life on their thermals is as good or better than most 30Hz scopes.

The thermal game has changed more this year than it's changed in the last 5-7 years....maybe longer. The technology is getting better and price is getting cheaper. This year with all the new Pulsar units (the only thermal manufacturer to release new thermals) they have set the new standard for price/features/specs.

Feel free to give me a call if you've got any questions.

(877)350-1818 ext 0

Jason

[Horitexan]

35Remington is dead on. The Pulsar Core RXQ30V for $1,899 will do that, as will the Pulsar Quantum Lite XQ23V $1,699. I will admit identifying a bobcat at 200 yards is on the upper end of the range, depending on the conditions, but I'd tell you the same thing if you were looking at a $10,000 IR Defense thermal. Identifying a deer vs a hog vs a coyote at 200 yards, no problem if you've got a little experience and normal conditions. The biggest factor helping you on these new thermals is the AMOLED display (vs LCD) and the 17 microns (vs 25 microns on last years models).



You also don't need 60Hz unless you plan to hunt from a helicopter or a fast moving vehicle. It provides no benefit at all for normal, walking/moving hunting conditions. Most 60Hz scopes sacrifice battery life for the faster refresh rate too, so it's not something I normally advise someone to purchase unless they really have the need for it. The good news is, all Pulsar thermals, including those mentioned above are 50Hz and Pulsar has mastered the battery life issue. Their battery life on their thermals is as good or better than most 30Hz scopes.



The thermal game has changed more this year than it's changed in the last 5-7 years....maybe longer. The technology is getting better and price is getting cheaper. This year with all the new Pulsar units (the only thermal manufacturer to release new thermals) they have set the new standard for price/features/specs.



Feel free to give me a call if you've got any questions.



(877)350-1818 ext 0



Jason

That's really interesting, Jason! Thanks for the reply and I WILL give you a shout one of these days soon. Might be into deer season, when I'm making a little extra expendable cash, but it'll be soon.

When I say 'identify' a cat at 200 yards, that's the absolute limit of what I need. Most of the time if I can pick one out within 100yds or stuck behind a bush 50yds, it'd be a HUGE advantage from me. Also, I'm experienced enough (often times) to identify a predator by the movement style of a set of eyeballs. So, I'm guessing I could identify a cat through thermal by the way it's moving and not necessarily through a clear image that shows a cat's body. Not sure if I'm explaining it right. Lol! It sounds like some of the new stuff might be worry me taking a look at. Thanks again!


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[35remington]

Also, I'm experienced enough (often times) to identify a predator by the movement style of a set of eyeballs. So, I'm guessing I could identify a cat through thermal by the way it's moving and not necessarily through a clear image that shows a cat's body.

You're right on the money. Pair the thermal's ability to detect an image with your own ability to recognize behaviors specific to your target animal, and an experienced hunter can absolutely make positive IDs at those ranges with the RXQ30V.

[Outdoor Legacy]

That's really interesting, Jason! Thanks for the reply and I WILL give you a shout one of these days soon. Might be into deer season, when I'm making a little extra expendable cash, but it'll be soon.

When I say 'identify' a cat at 200 yards, that's the absolute limit of what I need. Most of the time if I can pick one out within 100yds or stuck behind a bush 50yds, it'd be a HUGE advantage from me. Also, I'm experienced enough (often times) to identify a predator by the movement style of a set of eyeballs. So, I'm guessing I could identify a cat through thermal by the way it's moving and not necessarily through a clear image that shows a cat's body. Not sure if I'm explaining it right. Lol! It sounds like some of the new stuff might be worry me taking a look at. Thanks again!

Sounds great! Yes I know exactly what you are talking about. I was having a discussion with some guys on another forum recently where someone said a particular thermal was good for identifying hogs out to 150 yards and I really disagreed with that comment. (I was nice about it.lol) I will be the first to admit that under certain conditions it can be really hard to definitively tell a hog from a deer with thermal but those are not normal every day conditions for most of us. Very often with thermal my first clue as to a whether is a hog or a deer is it's movement. A hog moves around in a circular type pattern when it's feeding and it has a very definite movement that only a hog has. Also, if I see a head/neck pop up higher than the back of the animal, I've got a deer....or a calf....and I ain't shooting either one.lol

I guess what I'm getting at is, if you use your equipment enough and see enough deer, hogs, bobcats, coyotes etc it really doesn't take long to make a determination of what you are looking at. There are definitely times in very tall grass at 200 yards where I'm 98% sure I'm looking at a hog but it could be a deer. The good news is I'm not shooting at 200 yards. I'm making a stalk until I get up to 100 yards or less if possible and at that point it's a whole different ballgame when it comes to identification because it's much easier, even for the inexperienced.

Yes sir if you ever get ready for something or want to talk about some options, give me a shout whenever that is. I will say, the demand has been through the roof this year for all the new stuff and Pulsar hasn't been able to make it fast enough. If you are interested in any of their stuff, call ahead of time because there will probably be a waiting list. We haven't had any waits with the other manufacturers this year, mostly because everyone is buying Pulsar.

- Jason

[Outdoor Legacy]

You're right on the money. Pair the thermal's ability to detect an image with your own ability to recognize behaviors specific to your target animal, and an experienced hunter can absolutely make positive IDs at those ranges with the RXQ30V.

Bingo again!