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    #16
    Originally posted by Outbreaker View Post
    We are talking about .22lr here. All are blowback.

    We are talking about .22lr here, not PRS or BR competition.

    I stand by my comments as I WAS talking about .22lr.
    The engineering principals that allow bolt actions to have a greater potential accuracy vs semis doesn't change from caliber to caliber. Tighter tolerances, no added forces from bolt movement (blowback operated systems experience bolt movement before the round exits the barrel) or perpendicular gas forces (non-blowback).

    It's for these very reasons that bolt actions are heavily favored in not only PRS and BR competitions, but also in .22lr only competitions like NRA Small bore rifle and Biathlon.

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      #17
      Originally posted by sir shovelhands View Post
      The engineering principals that allow bolt actions to have a greater potential accuracy vs semis doesn't change from caliber to caliber. Tighter tolerances, no added forces from bolt movement (blowback operated systems experience bolt movement before the round exits the barrel) or perpendicular gas forces (non-blowback).

      It's for these very reasons that bolt actions are heavily favored in not only PRS and BR competitions, but also in .22lr only competitions like NRA Small bore rifle and Biathlon.
      Other than highly customized bolt action rifles I have never seen a bolt action rifle that was capable of consistently outshooting a 10/22 (no experience with other semi autos) of similar price.

      You are correct on the simple physics, it just is not an issue at the lower recoil, lower pressures that the .22lr exhibits. Shooter and ammunition variance is a much larger factor.

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        #18
        What about disassembly and cleaning? Are bolt actions significantly easier?

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          #19
          Originally posted by twosixteens View Post
          Hard to beat a CZ
          True dat /\

          I have a 452 American and a 452 Varmint modelboth .22 LR--they are more accurate than any of my .22 rifles except the Remington 37 (preceeded the 40x) my Win 52D, and my Rem 513SA--all blued steel and walnut--no plastic.

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            #20
            Have bolts, semi's and lever guns in 22LR... bolts are pretty much safe queens... Lever guns (BLR's in Grade 1 and 2) are great plinkers with open sights. Have my go to squirrel gun, a Weatherby 22LR Semi-Auto with a Leupold Rimfire and that sucker has PLENTY of accuracy to take out a squirrel's eyeball at 50 yards and beyond... Won a 10/22 in a raffle, one of the "All Weather" models... Never even had a magazine loaded up in it... Still brand new in the safe... Cool gun, but never got into them... Had an Anschutz bolt gun, but my brother has it now... with the right ammo, that sucker is the most accurate small bore rifle I've ever shot, but it sure is finicky on what ammo it likes.

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              #21
              Like some others have stated, look at the CZ line of .22's. In today's firearm world of cheap economy guns CZ has still managed to keep their line with nice walnut stocks, deep rich bluing, nice fit and finish combined with great US makers put out with a decent price point.
              With .22 and 17's they make quite a few models to choose from. From the basic Scout model to a Varmint Precision Trainer they should have a model for you.
              With the 455 models you can switch barrels easily if you want.

              Here are a couple, my wife's 452 that I cut down and threaded and a 455FS plinker.

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                #22
                I save the bolts for a 22mag or 17HMR. My 22s have always been semi-auto...

                I like to plink with the 22lr and its just more fun as a semi-auto.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by sendit View Post
                  Like some others have stated, look at the CZ line of .22's. In today's firearm world of cheap economy guns CZ has still managed to keep their line with nice walnut stocks, deep rich bluing, nice fit and finish combined with great US makers put out with a decent price point.
                  With .22 and 17's they make quite a few models to choose from. From the basic Scout model to a Varmint Precision Trainer they should have a model for you.
                  With the 455 models you can switch barrels easily if you want.

                  Here are a couple, my wife's 452 that I cut down and threaded and a 455FS plinker.

                  Pure sexiness.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by 30-30 View Post
                    What about disassembly and cleaning? Are bolt actions significantly easier?
                    Now I would say so. I love my little Marlin Model 60 semi-auto, but when I look down into the action, it looks like the inside of a space shuttle.

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                      #25
                      22 snob here...some to shelf guns that need mention. Just Cuz:

                      Anschutz 54 Sporter or the 1700/1710/1712...I have a very rare 1700 FWT with a McMillan Fibergrain Stock.

                      Remington 40x Sporter...the single shots are nice but the repeater is heaven. Only 700 made.

                      Pre 64 Winchester 52c Sporter...OMG, Some day.

                      Springfield 1922 sporter...another piece of art you don't see often.

                      I have an AMT (10/22 copy) with a Shillen bbl, a VERY rare Jewell Trigger & McMillan stock that is every bit as accurate as the bolts above mentioned.

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                        #26
                        I just purchased a cz455 American in 22lr super accurate. But my ruger 10/22 is also a tack driver. I'm also a fan of the ruger 77/22 but accuracy is lacking on both of the ones I have considering they are on the much higher end$$.

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                          #27
                          It's hard to beat Anschutz if accuracy is your goal. Savage and CZ also make really accurate rifles, although the factory triggers on CZs leave a lot to be desired. One thing to keep in mind is that any high end target rifle is going to shoot its best with expensive match ammo from Eley, SK, Lapua, etc. Such ammo is always subsonic. I'd recommend going with a Savage or CZ if you're going to stick with high velocity or bulk ammo.

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                            #28
                            Marlin Model 60 is a lot of fun.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Ruark View Post
                              Now I would say so. I love my little Marlin Model 60 semi-auto, but when I look down into the action, it looks like the inside of a space shuttle.
                              Very very simple when you break it down...

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                                #30
                                I would suggest a ruger 10/22. I have the LVT model and it is really accurate. I have stretched it out to 100 yards yet but 50-75 yards it will make 1 ragged hole when I do my part.
                                The stock isn't super nice but can be replaced pretty inexpensive.

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