I vote Remington. This group was shot with the ADL Varmint 308 in its factory configuration..... the thing was so accurate, right out of the box, I was afraid to mess with it and screw it up. I've shot many many groups just like this one, and if I slow down, that one flyer fits away. I've since added an XLR chassis, had the barrel cut down to 20 inches and threaded, added a muzzle brake and can. It now shoots a little better even.
The Ruger is a decent gun too, but aftermarket accessories are hard to find, it's not a heavy barrel (which you may or may not care about) and my experience with its detachable mag setup is not great. The 270 I'm working on died not feed reliably at all, and it's a fairly well documented problem.
I vote Remington. This group was shot with the ADL Varmint 308 in its factory configuration..... the thing was so accurate, right out of the box, I was afraid to mess with it and screw it up. I've shot many many groups just like this one, and if I slow down, that one flyer fits away. I've since added an XLR chassis, had the barrel cut down to 20 inches and threaded, added a muzzle brake and can. It now shoots a little better even.
The Ruger is a decent gun too, but aftermarket accessories are hard to find, it's not a heavy barrel (which you may or may not care about) and my experience with its detachable mag setup is not great. The 270 I'm working on died not feed reliably at all, and it's a fairly well documented problem.
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That one "flyer" actually looks like 2 shots and your .277 3 shot "group" is bigger than that. I would work with it a some more. I expect a varmint weight gun to do a little better than that.
That one "flyer" actually looks like 2 shots and your .277 3 shot "group" is bigger than that. I would work with it a some more. I expect a varmint weight gun to do a little better than that.
The flyer is one shot, the backer board was bad. I know it's only one, because it was the last one. I I always threw the last shot with that rifle for a long time. I finally learned to slow down and I can put them all into one right group now. It's a 4 shot group with one shot out of the group. How is it that my group is bigger than I wrote down? What is your measurement on it? I KNOW what it is, I measured it with a caliper and subtracted one bullet diameter to get a center to center. What measurement technique did you use? You expect better from a FACTORY rifle, in a Tupperware stock, with a crap trigger and an average to very slightly above average shooter, shooting off of a backpack and a rear bag? You may not be happy with anything on the market then, because there aren't a lot of $450 rifles that will beat this gun.
in order for a .30 cal group to measure .277 the two farthest holes would have to partially cut each other. Yours have paper in between so you are .308 PLUS whatever paper is between. If your "flyer" isnt two bullet holes, the photo is VERY misleading. How did your 1 shot make a figure 8 type hole? Everyones expectations are different when it comes to rifles. That level of accuracy is sufficient for any hunting situation and if you are satisfied, thats all that matters. I probably just spent too much time shooting BR.
There's no figure 8, the problem is the paper is torn more on the bottom right because it didn't have any support there due to a large hole in the backer. If you came from behind the paper and smoothed it out, the fingers of torn paper would fill it in to make a round hole. As far as the overlap, I can understand what you are saying. I think the issue is that the paper ripped weird on that bottom hole as well and that hides the fact that all three holes overlap right in center. We're only talking about .030" and I don't think we can reliably measure that from a picture, at least not this picture.
That one "flyer" actually looks like 2 shots and your .277 3 shot "group" is bigger than that. I would work with it a some more. I expect a varmint weight gun to do a little better than that.
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